The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Secret ^account 23:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Appleweed[edit]

This is one of a number of OR / COI additions to Wikipedia by Scott Miller, the artistic director of New Line Theatre. Newchaz64 (talk · contribs), the originator of the article, admitted that he was Scott Miller on Talk:Johnny Appleweed - [1].

The article is a description of a musical written and produced by Scott Miller. Aside from a couple of (presumably - based on form) cherry-picked review quotes, the whole thing is OR beyond any real hope of redemption, there being few or any accessible secondary sources to back up the assertions being made.

Combined with its unencyclopedic tone, I view the article as being unsalvageable. It would be fine for a theatre website - which is probably where it originated, judging by the OTRS ticket - but it fails on multiple levels within wikipedia. -- Tagishsimon (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article certainly needs a lot of work. But I see references. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC) I pruned a bit. More needed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notability established the usual way. Some editing may be needed, but that's not a criterion for deletion. Wily D 15:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see anything in the article that establishes notability other than the above-mentioned cherry-picked quotes. If those are enough to pass Wikipedia standards then keep, but I would vote that they don't. Theseeker4 (talk) 18:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been noted at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Musical Theatre#AfD of Johnny Appleweed in the hope of more input. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Delete. Unless this article is completely rewritten to get rid of the promotional tone, I would vote to delete. BTW, how do we know that the copying from Miller's website is authorized? Scott Miller or whoever it is who copies and pastes materials from Miller's website to wikipedia is not doing these musicals any good, because all of these articles are either COPYVIOs or they COI and written in an unacceptably promotional tone. Please let me know if someone takes the time to write a real encyclopedia article here, and I'll be happy to reconsider my vote. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.