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The result was delete. Too many SPAs here stating keep; consensus by legitimate means is delete. Majorly _{(o rly?)} 21:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Taylor Bowles[edit]

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Verifiability and no credible sources. Non-notable unless this "National Socialist Movement" candidate gets on any ballots or at least gets some mainstream media coverage. Dimitroff 02:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - FEC Federal Election Committee verified Candidate. Search P8003320 at FEC Disclosure Site. http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/can_detail/P80003320/ Candidate also has a federally registered PAC called 88 PAC. This candidate is fully credible no matter what anti-Americans may think. Candidate Bowles is fully registered with the Federal Government in the spirit of American politics. This is truly an example of a government by the people for the people at work. Deleting this candidate in favor of corporate sponsored, foreign sponsored and owned bigger Parties is a disgrace and against everything America stands for. You can't delete facts especially those with verifiable sources just because you don't agree with their platform. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.75.232.56 (talk) 01:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

• Strong Keep - Granted, candidate Bowles is a registered candidate with the Federal Election Commission (#)80003320) and has established an official political action committee with the FEC for his candidacy (Bowles for President 2008, #C0041148) and established a campaign website (Bowlesforpresident.com). Candidate Bowles is receiving widespread newspaper coverage --Low Profile 01:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)including Huron, North Dakota and Columbia, South Carolina, plus campaigning state-to-state. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.191.222.111 (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

• • Provide a link for your claims towards registration. Searches on for the registration numbers provided on both Google and the FEC website do not produce any hits. Until they are provided, the comment violates WP:NOR and WP:V. Djma12 17:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - Granted, this is a minor candidate, but he does seem to fit Wikipedia:Candidates and elections. Djma12 02:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • • I have tried to do some additional research on this candidate. The party that he espouses is not registered, nor is he a registered political candidate. Delete per Dimitroff.Djma12 03:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      
      
  • How exactly? Reading over Wikipedia:Candidates and elections it says "That does not mean, however, that all candidates for office should automatically receive their own articles in Wikipedia. Articles on candidates for office, like all Wikipedia articles, must meet standards of quality and verifiability." As far as I can see this article fails those standards. We don't even have any evidence that this is a registered candidate. Dimitroff 04:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 03:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete without prejudice to him actually getting some press coverage. -- Kendrick7^talk 05:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless some evidence that an even moderately mainstream media source has covered his candidacy. --Delirium 08:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless sourced and referenced i.a.w. WP:V by end of this AfD Alf photoman 13:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The comment from Djma12: "Granted, this is a minor candidate.." needs expanding. In fact, this a major candidate (Presidential election!). That is surely enough to make him notable, even if he is from a minor party. Plenty of Google hits to back up this candidacy, mostly from the NSM unfortunately, but there's also this [1]. Emeraude 17:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC) (belatedly signed)[reply]
  • The "minor party" is not a registered political party. There is no evidence this is a registered political candidate. Just because Joe Blow in Springfield, NH says he's running for president doesn't mean that he is and doesn't mean he deserves a wikipedia article. Dimitroff 17:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not notable enough to have had any press coverage. Anyone can declare themselves a candidate for any office. Let's delete this article until there are sources available. -Will Beback · † · 20:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as non-notable; if he gets some coverage at a future time, then hey, fire away, but at this point 1,200 Google hits for a Presidential candidate is pretty weak. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, I'm working on his Wikinews article, and he was written up by the Columbia City Paper [2]. Also, his party, the National Socialism Movement is the largest Neo Nazi group in the US, which in turn has ties to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, the controversial 1978 Supreme Court Case that upheld the Freedom of Speech, and allowed Nazis to parade in a traditional Jewish community. So, when put together, I believe he is notable.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zidel333 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment - A quick scan of the "Columbia City Paper" shows it to be some minor newsletter, not a credible source per WP:V. Furthermore, three degrees of separation to a 1978 Supreme Court case does not constitue WP:BIO notability criteria. Heck, even I'm three degrees of separation from the past four U.S. presidents. Djma12 17:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I find that he is usually referred to as Taylor Bowles, and doing a LEXIS newspaper search got 125 hits for the last two years. In just the first ten hits, I found articles about him in The Virginian-Pilot(Norfolk, Va.) August 21, 2005 and June 12, 2005; The Olympian (Olympia, Washington), June 19, 2006; Knight-Ridder Tribune Business News - The Olympian, June 19, 2006 (and other dates); Associated Press State & Local Wire, October 9, 2005; The Roanoke Times (Virginia), October 18, 2005; Associated Press Worldstream, June 25, 2005; Associated Press Online, June 25, 2005; and others. The newspaper articles are not flattering, but they do establish notability, as well as a certain notoriety. --Bejnar 08:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep I was in South Carolina at the time that his campaign came through. The local, mainstream paper contained an article about the campaign. It also listed that this camdidate is receiving matching funds. The candidate is listed on many internet polls of registered Presidential Candidates, including the folowing link:

It seems obvious that some people do not want this article because they do not like the message. However, that is not a consideration for an unbiased encyclopedic service. This articl should stand. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.9.250.6 (talk) 15:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

• Strong KeepPolitical opponents of the National Socialist Movement obviously wish to deny their party and their message any legitimacy whatsoever. Mr. Bowles is a presidential candidate registered with the National Election Commission. He has a campaign committee and his party has held numerous political rallies in various states around the U.S. in the last several years. He has been interviewed by newspapers, and portions of his speeches have been broadcast over national cable news networks. Perhaps his chances of actually gaining the Presidency are small, but he is a legitimate candidate with a legitimate political platform from a legal political party. His Wikipedia entry should remain, if for no other reason, in order that Wikipedia should be an exhaustive source of information on who is running for President. Low ProfileLow Profile 01:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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