The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. The participants here seemed uncertain what to do with this article. This suggested a no consensus close was appropriate. But I decided to be bold and rename it, to replace the awkward "editor-in-chief" from the name with just "editor", as seems to be the convention. As part of that process, while updating all the wikilinks for the places where he is wikilinked from, it seemed kinda obvious to me that he has some level of notability, just from the sheer volume of mentions in other articles. So the "on the fence" nature of this argument along with my own "hunch" leaned me from no-consensus all the way over to keep. (It really did not matter, though, as both are technically keep outcomes). Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 00:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Green (editor)[edit]

Notability is neither asserted nor extant for this magazine editor and podcaster. JFlav (talk) 02:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not go far enough to establish notability (insufficient references); notability is not inhereted from magazine associated with this person (editorship of a notable magazine does not automatically convey notability). If this person is notable, references must bear it out. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Wikipedia newbie who listens to video game podcasts and keeps up with the video game community through video game websites, magazines, podcasts, and forums, and I think that Jeff Green is popular within that community. What steps can I take to keep this article from being deleted? Modul8r (talk) 21:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, this article should only exist if Jeff Green is considered notable by Wikipedia's definition of notability. I sympathize with your position; I listen to the Brodio and I like Jeff Green. But being popular within a subculture isn't enough to make someone notable. That's why I put this article up for deletion. On the other hand, the whole point of going through the AfD process and gaining consensus about an article's fate is to figure out if this article does or does not fit Wikipedia's policies. By putting this article on AfD, I assert that I think Jeff Green isn't notable enough to have an article, but if you think he is notable and you can pull together independent, verifiable sources about him, then you'll always win. So to answer your question directly, to keep this article from being deleted you have to demonstrate that Jeff Green is actually notable in accordance with WP:N. If you can find good, verifiable, independent sources and put them into the article, it stays. JFlav (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Djsasso (talk) 23:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—It does appear that he is at least mentioned in quite a few independent sources although it is difficult to gauge if there is enough there, without accessing the full text of the articles. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment A lot of those sources look like they're about Games for Windows, and just mentioning Jeff Green as the EIC. Others are articles in Computer Gaming World, another name for GFW, so hardly independent. To be fair, though, there are a couple links that may be worthwhile—this one from ABC News, for instance, quotes Green. Others are unclear: is a Gamasutra podcast interview enough for notability? JFlav (talk) 21:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found the following sources:

http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/jeff_green.htm http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/jeff_greenII.htm http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/jeff_greenIII.htm http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/jeff-green-4.htm http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/jeff-green-5.htm

http://www.gamerdad.com/detail.cfm?itemID=2278 (called "an industry veteran")

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/interviews/1216-Game-Magazines-Have-Sucked-for-Forever-GFW-s-Jeff-Green-on-the-F

http://www.gdcradio.net/2006/09/gdc_radio_presents_gamasutra_p_4.html

Modul8r (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm honestly not sure what to do. We have news articles that solicited Green for quotes (ABC news, Red Herring, and The Arizona Republic), and several interviews listed above. However, those interviews are all from enthusiast press, i.e. websites about videogames. Is that enough to meet the notability criteria? I'm stumped. JFlav (talk) 17:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.