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The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

J-Blaze[edit]

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Disputed PROD over whether this meets WP:MUSICBIO. On talk page, article's creator says that it meets the following criteria: Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city. However, no reliable sources have been provided to support that assertion. Singularity42 (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hey folks, original poster here. My rationale for meeting that guidelines is chiefly that he collaborates with and tours with other very notable local hyphy artists, specifically Turf Talk and other rappers (and this interaction is documented in the references). If that doesn't hold up to group interpretation of criteria, I guess I don't have much of an argument, though I quite firmly believe it should be enough. (I am trying earnestly to rectify what I think is a case of WP:system bias with this particular music scene.). SeasideMusic (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the issue is WP:Reliable Sources. We can't just assert something in Wikipedia; we have to cite reliable sources. YouTube, iTunes, Amazon, and Facebook are not reliable sources. What is needed are multiple, non-trivial coverage by sources that have an editorial oversight. Singularity42 (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Monterey County Weekly not count? Confused. SeasideMusic (talk) 22:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To me, the articles cited don't seem to be actual reviews, etc., and therefore doesn't support the assertion. Instead, they are just announcements about upcoming performances, without anything substantial. Ultimately, though, that's just my opinion. By bringing the issue here, other editors will have an opportunity to review and provide their opinions, so that a consensus can be formed. Singularity42 (talk) 22:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for explanation. Still kind of confused - I thought the Monterey references had reviews in the text, at least when I read them (they talk about the artist in some detail). Is it because they are short? Do reviews have to meet a certain length to count? (honestly curious, seems to me I see Wikipedians interpreting "significant" versus "trivial" all sorts of different ways) SeasideMusic (talk) 11:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Has self-released his music. No sources to back up "on of the most prominent representatives...". The Monterey County Weekley articles doesn't meet the "significant coverage" needed to pass WP:GNG and they are trivial coverage announcing upcoming performances. I'm unable to find any reliable sources, but "J Blaze" is common... other rappers, a dentist in oakland, etc. Bgwhite (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yeah lacks the prominence to be a credible wealth of information. --Wooktook (talk) 01:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC) — Wooktook (talk • contribs) has been blocked indefinitely.[reply]
Delete. Not enough coverage to establish notability. The brief blurbs in the Monterey County Weekley aren't enough.--Kubigula (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, after due consideration. The sources in the Monterey County Weekly basically amount to entries in a gig list, and I don't feel that they meet the "substantial" requirement of the WP:GNG. I don't see how this person meets any of the criteia in WP:MUSIC, either. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 07:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC).[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.