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The result was keep. Closing this as a combination of SK and a dubious nomination. Kreiman is a GM ([1]). passes WP:BIO for athletes, and there's plenty of 3rd party sourcing. Black Kite 00:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boris Kreiman

Boris Kreiman is unnotable with only some minor news coverage from a decade ago as a Junior/teenage Chess player. As an adult Kreiman hasn't achieved any major success/press/awards. According to his highest FIDE rank, he was 2577th in the world. It appears following a 2006 controversy he is no longer a chess player and currently is a webmaster for several commerical/gambling websites. The current blog interest in him is based on Kreiman acquiring a skeptic's webpage.

He fails WP:BIO. BBiiis08 (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question: It can be (and is) verified that he is a grandmaster. Does that meet any criteria as notable by itself? From the article Grandmaster (chess), Grandmaster is the highest title a chess player can attain. As for any coverage that is from the 1970s (or the 1170s), that is just as good as yesterday's news as notability isn't temporary, they key is quality not age. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 20:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing in http://news.google.com/archivesearch that calls him a grandmaster. I saw a brief mention in an article 12 years ago that says "with Boris Kreiman of Brooklyn, who is as yet untitled." BBiiis08 (talk) 22:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to indicate he is a grand master. I was in the article before the AFD. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 23:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Dennis Brown. Having once been a grandmaster means that Kreiman is definitely notable. Cunard (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That claim is unsourced. Furthermore, he has never won a championship as an adult, which would give him that title. BBiiis08 (talk) 22:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, we have that information here at wikipedia. It was in the wikilink you just deleted in the article. I also restored the other sources you deleted. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 23:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passed WP:N and WP:ATHLETE. Grsz ¹¹ ^→Review! 23:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dennis Brown. X MarX the Spot (talk) 23:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep We got a source calling him a Grand Master. That is enough for WP:N. It is not important what the nominator thinks is sourced or not, if the reliable source states it, it is enough for WP:V. I would close this myself as speedy keep, seeing that there is unlikely to be anyone arguing what was said here but I leave this for an admin that is more experienced at AfD. Regards So Why 00:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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