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The result was Nomination withdrawn. No delete vote. PeaceNT 09:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Belaid Lacarne[edit]

Belaid Lacarne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

AFD WITHDRAWN I'll try to tidy up the substubs of referees that are only notable for one WCF game into one article when I get the time if others think that is a good idea? EliminatorJR 23:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Surely fails notability - ONE game refereed in a major tournament? Might even qualify for A7 EliminatorJR 20:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep If a player had played even just one match in the World Cup finals he would almost certainly be kept. There's no notability guidelines for referees but I'd suggest that being selected to ref in the world's biggest and most significant tournament qualifies him (and for information, somewhere in the region of half of the refs who are selected for each edition of the World Cup only get to ref one match) ChrisTheDude 21:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 21:36, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'd say he meets notability, only one referee (and his assistants) on the FIFA list from any individual association can go to the World Cup Finals. Therefore FIFA and his own FA have judged him to be the best suited. He's been selected by the FIFA Referee Committee as one of the 40-50 possible and gone through the assessment stages to be in the final 20-30 for the tournament, therefore he was judged as arguably one of the top 30 referees in the world in that year. For example: of all the football referees in the world only 23 out of a suggested 40 were chosen for the 2006 FIFA World Cup.[1][2]. He ref'd one match and lined for another in the tournament, became a committee member for the Confederation of African Football in 2002[3] and is currently a member of the FIFA Referee Committee.[4] - Foxhill 22:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the article to include some of his later career history - Foxhill 23:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep per above. Nominator possibly doesn't watch FIFA tournaments. FIFA World Cup is most prestigious football event and it is the highest honour for referees to take part in it. - Darwinek 23:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment per above. Nominator certainly does watch FIFA tournaments. Now that the article has been fleshed out I'd agree that this person does have some notability, especially with his FIFA work. However, a page for every referee ever to have officiated a WC Finals game - which would run into quite a few hundred - would be pushing it, IMHO EliminatorJR 00:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment per above. Mind you, it looks like Wikipedians are having a go at it List Of Football Referees!. I'm sure that this could be arranged better, most of the pages simply say "X is a referee who refereed one game at the YYYY World Cup Finals" - seems like a lot of pages with practically nil content. 'World Cup Finals officials', anyone? EliminatorJR 00:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep certainly notable. I have heard of this referee, and I believe he merits an article on his own because being a referee in the most prestigious soccer tournament is enough to become notable, let alone being a member of the referee committee. - Anas ^Talk? 12:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, referees that have officiated a World Cup match (even if it is only one) should be considered notable. As said above, doing that means the ref arguably is one of the 30 best referees in the world at that time. And it should be noted that even though many of the articles are substubs (many created by User:SndrAndrss which is a somewhat problematic user) mentioning only the World Cup, having been there that usually means the ref has officiated a few other major matches as well. – Elisson • T • C • 21:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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