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Hey there. Polbot is now a CSBot trusted user. — Coren (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Quadell, many thanks again for your help at WP:FUR#10Aug regarding this picture. Unfortunately it seems the image was first published in 1931, not with the memoires of 1910... not found out where yet, only that the 8th edition was printed with additional material in 2000 in Strasbourg. Alex has visited the religious house where she lived, but the sisters, despite being very willing to help, don't know whether or not they own the copyright, or who might. I've removed the picture for now while I write to the mother house of the Order to see if they can shed any light, or provide a picture where they do know they own the copyright. Thanks again for your help. ~ Veledan • | T | 23:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I see you edited this article on July 24. I am curious as to why you let it stand as written, and didn't revert or tag it as blatant advertising. I have done so, and have written to the contributer (who I, as well as others, think is an employee of the newspaper). Did you not think it was biased as written? Jeffpw 08:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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Can you please explain to me why Saint Maurice's icon was deleted? It had a tag clearly stating that the creator of the image released it to the public domain! Thank you. --Lanternix 15:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I've sent you one. Maxim 00:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I was wondering why you have deleted the image Image:Beth Broderick.JPG without even putting a tag on it or a notice? I'm sure that if there was a tag, the problem could have been taken care of. Thank you very much. 53180 01:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)53180.
I'm not familiar with Polbot. Does Polbot create new articles automatically? Polbot created an article that I have just re-edited. Now the article, Samuel Caruthers, has two authors, both with similar names...Polbot and Polounit. Tell me more about Polbot. Polounit 09:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Quadell, it might be a matter of courtesy to provide a reasoning for deleting the images I uploaded. Thanks, Str1977 (talk) 12:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
For use of Betacommand/Commons here - thanks! Videmus Omnia Talk 14:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Quadell, since I got involved with image work, I've been regularly getting messages asking why I deleted a particular image. I've usually managed to sort it out fairly amicably. I have a very nasty vomiting bug at the moment, and will be either completely absent or just making a very small number of edits a day for a while. If you look at my user page and my talk page, you'll see that I've asked people to take their queries to you or Howcheng or ^demon. I probably should have asked your permission first, but I'm feeling a bit wobbly and just want to go straight back to bed. If you're busy, or have any reason to feel that this request is unwelcome, please feel absolutely free to remove your name from my two pages. I won't be offended at all. I do make mistakes, though I think they're more in image tagging than in image deletion, especially when I'm working too fast. So if you are asked about it, please feel free to undo any action of mine if you think you should. Thanks. ElinorD (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Just a small point: according to WP:CSD#I8, images tagged with ((ncd)) shouldn't be deleted until a week has passed, unless uploaded to commons by the creator. No big deal really, but someone will make a drama out of it sooner or later. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a non-free image at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 15, 2006, which would seem to be a violation of WP:NFCC#9. I can't remove it because the page is fully protected. Videmus Omnia Talk 03:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid of saying you that the user Goddess deleted all the messages of apologize I made to her.
Thank you for your attention,
Yours,
LeAngeGardien 23:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes I'd like to know why these two images were deleted without reason. They both clearly had rationale for fair use, and were used to help the discussion of the music video. I looked at a featured article, Hollaback Girl, and saw that it had five images about that video/performance. And these two articles can't have one? There wasn't even a consensus for deletion either... --Thankyoubaby 03:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
You've given a reason as CSDI7 but not left any form of template on my talk page, which WP:CSD#I7 summary table says you should. I didn't necessarily expect the image to be retained, but I must say it is the first time I uploaded an image and the whole process is wayyyy to complicated and involved, with far to many petty-fogging rules and minutea to make uploading useful to anyone but the most dedicated and sure of the themselves. If it is just a bad tag if you could tell me where I went wrong I'll try it again, the whole process was fraught with error for me. Many thanks RichyBoy 17:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
You have removed this image stating that the same file is on wikipedia commons, but in the nokia 6230 article the image is now broken. Wikipedia commons has no image with the exact same name, but nokia_6230i.jpg exist, is this the same file? I'm going to fix the image in the article (I found a better image on commons so will use that), but can you check that everything else is as it should and that the image isn't broken anywhere else, as i dont know if this should have been fixed automaticly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.48.89.77 (talk) 19:37, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
You were the most recent admin in the deletion log, so I thought I'd ask you for a bit of help on moving User talk:LeddyLover1 (which is a non-existent username) to User talk:LeddyLover where it belongs. I already moved the main userpage, but SineBot screwed up the redirect so I can't move over it because it now has history. Would you mind deleting the redirect and moving the user talk page in place? --Pekaje 21:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes I was going to get around to going through those and you are right that most should go. I would argue that Image:Cover mq03.jpeg and Image:Cover sw01.jpeg should be kept as they illustrate the other two comic series that FutureQuake Publishing publish (in addition to FutureQuake itself) - MangaQuake and Something Wicked. I can add a FUR to both of those which would legitimise their use (I think all the relevant images need shrinking too so I can do that at the same time). (Emperor 22:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC))
Please, could you patiently and diplomatically explain this user that uploading every image one founds on google is not a good thing? Thanks in advance! --Abu badali (talk) 22:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Quadell, it is true that the Light from Death Note image was deleted after a session on deletion discussion. However, look at the reason WHY it was deleted.
"Image:Light from Death Note.jpg
Image:Light from Death Note.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ruka (notify | contribs) and Jesus of Suburbia (notify | contribs).
* Claims to fall under fair use but has no fair use rationale. Greg Jones II 22:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
"
I restored it and GAVE it an FU, so the whole reasoning for the re-deletion is not there. I will restore it again because the REASON it was deleted was actually a "speedy" criteria. Now that I have FU rationale, it should not be deleted. WhisperToMe 15:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
By the way, the FU is: "There is no free alternative to portraying Light, as he is a fictional character." - It's easy to add FU rationale to pics about fictional characters. WhisperToMe 15:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Please could you delete this non-free picture of Maggie Grace, as discussed on WP:AN/I here. Thanks in advance. --Mathsci 19:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry missed the sources section. You might want to consider adding a little space before the stub. Thedjatclubrock :) (T/C) 00:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Damn! I can't believe you deleted those fair use video grabs tagged by Videmus Omnia on August 7th! Argh! I guess I'll go back to my own nook in WP, but let me just throw out my argument one more time:
Even a headshot can convey the "look" of the musician at that time in their career, hairstyle and appearance, as well as the style and art direction of a video. Most of what is being called "headshots" also include costume as well. You have to concede that the headshot of one video looks substantially different from that of another, aiding in both description and comparison. I checked every image's use and only defended those videos that were being critically discussed as allowed by fair use.
--Knulclunk 04:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Understood. Personally, I would choose to keep more liberally. In the long term WP view, important vidcaps with appropriate supporting text will eventually filter through. Those couple of IFD days seemed a tad overboard to for my taste. Thank you for replying. --Knulclunk 18:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the award. I love it! I think you need a thick skin on Wikipedia sometimes, and thick leaves are a start! I guess the thick brain is unavoidable. :) -- Cecropia 06:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image:James-kim-techtv.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rugz 06:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC) An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image:Jameskim-people.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rugz 06:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Quadell, I made an addition to ((Ifd log)) (the subst'd header for IfD discussion pages) so that comments on IfD pages will automatically be signed by SineBot. Can you verify that I did this correctly (I don't want to screw up such a high-visibility template.) Videmus Omnia Talk 14:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
You recently closed Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_August_8#Image:Ffvii_worldmap_new.png as delete but the original nominator failed to notify the relevant parties. He only posted a message at the now-inactive uploader's talk page but did not add the ((ifdc)) template to the articles where the images are used. Since both relevant articles are on my watchlist (and those of several other concerned editors), I think the consensus would have been different if the template was added. I checked WP:DRV but it said to talk to the closing admin first before opening a DRV. Axem Titanium 16:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm relisting it at IFD. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I know you are big in image clean up and deletion, I am not, seems arduous to me, but you may want to delete this image, I don't think it qualifies as fair use considering the band is still alive. Image:Nationalpicbest.jpg. I don't know if a gallery of album covers is appropriate fair use either but there is one on The National (band). IvoShandor 17:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Normally I link to m:The Wrong Version. See Wikipedia:Protection policy (emphasis mine): "Protection during an edit war is not an endorsement of the current version." I don't friggin' care what the page says. COntent should never be revert warred over, much less featured content. Ths should really be discussed/argued over at Talk:Christina Aguilera anyway as it is an obvious WP:BLP issue. Circeus 19:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why [Image:Frontier Airlines Route Map.jpg] is considered replacable? Frontier Airlines released it on their website for use and it is properly noted and licensed. What's the problem? Sox23 20:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
With what--if it was released by the airline, why does it have to be recreated? Sox23 02:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Per the [Non-free promotional] template -
To the uploader: This tag should only be used for images of a person, product, or event that is known to have come from a press kit or similar source, for the purpose of reuse by the media. Please add a detailed fair use rationale as described on Wikipedia:Image description page, as well as the source of the image and copyright information. Additionally, if the copyright holder has granted permission, please provide further details as to the terms.
Seeing as this fits into the description, and there is a license for these sorts of pictures, why is it an issue? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sox23 (talk • contribs) 22:51, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
Hello
Already went through this about a year ago. Already went through arbitration on it.
The bike no longer exists. The photo is the only one available. izaakb ~talk ~contribs 22:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
User:Mistress Selina Kyle/User Copyright
Here is the last go-around on WP:IFD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2006_December_11#Image:Ducati_mach1_800.jpg_.28talk_.7C_delete.29 Submitted by RogueGeek, Dec 11, 2006. Consensus was to keep it. izaakb ~talk ~contribs 01:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Keep. But you could also write this guy [4]. Isn't that the same bike? --Knulclunk 03:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Please keep. There is a restored close sister to the illustrated bike at the Ducati shop in Bellevue, WA, USA. It isn't relevant that the engine displacements are not the same. What is relevant is the history that riders have with the TYPE. There was a 200cc varient that was competetive in road race circuits before the metrics arrived on scene. Further, to state that there is no identical bike in existence suggests an omniscience that is unbecoming to any encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.96.182 (talk) 17:41, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
I know that we can hide bot edits from recent changes using the +bot, but can Polbot's contributions be hidden from new pages? I don't know if it's a technical issue, so I figured I'd ask you. I love Polbot, but it's cluttering up new pages at times :) Keegantalk 04:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Image:MargaretWilson.jpg. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. gadfium 05:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hope you haven't been letting her drink and edit ;-) Found a couple of articles that had talk pages but no article. Database must have been locked. Just wanted to let you know so you can throw them back in the queue.
And that's all I can retrieve from Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Plant articles by quality log - the log was too large for it to continue past G! Amazing how many articles you've created. Our assessment logs note there are now over 21,000 plant articles on Wikipedia (at least those tagged with the WP:PLANTS banner, which is nearly most of them). Cheers, --Rkitko (talk) 12:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Another one:
Hi I just happened to realize that you deleted the images again, eventhough I properly cited the sources and that I had identified the liscence.
If it is because its only exploitable for non-commercial purposes only, then why does Wikipedia even offer this option, I mean, if it will only accept GPL material than why give any of the other options.
For whatever reason it was done I think you should at least inform the author, it took me a long time to redo those grand slam articles (I still have to do the US Open one), and I was even planning on doing it on some other languages like French and Spanish, so just out of respect for someone's work I think you should at least send a message informing people about deleting their work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by O wingless o (talk • contribs) 08:54, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I just wanted to say that the amount of new species pages you have created through your bot (how does that work btw?) is amazing. I am in awe, haha. Cheers! Viperphantom 19:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This Deleted, evidently not a free image at [5] is admin abuse, pathetic wiki-lawyering and preposterous. Precisely what gives you the right to override concensus and draw your own conclusions based on an extremely limited (almost to the point of non-existence) knowledge of copyright law? It is obvious that you are becoming quite tendentious in your crusade to rid Wikipedia of all images. The nonsense needs to stop, and it will, one way or the other. You can choose to slow down and think, or we can leave it up to the community, and if necessary arbcom, to resolve the issue. The choice is yours. •Jim62sch• 21:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
A DRV is in the process of being addressed. The real problem here is that you made an assumption that is not supported by facts. As for civility, as I told one of your friends, civility is not limited to words, it includes actions. In my eyes, an unwarranted assumption, such as that which you made re trhe image in question is uncivil. •Jim62sch• 22:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
During newpages patrol I noticed a few plant species articles posted by Polbot. I was wondering why the bot is not using the standard for citations we use for all good articles, i.e., inline citations? Not only would it lay a foundation for future editors, but would solve the repetitive task of placing the markup for them. I don't know your familiarity with citation formats (or whether you've considered this but there is a technical limitation) but I would suggest the following format (if this is at all possible), using Syzygium guehoi as an example:
I am actually betting that there is a technical limitation and I'm just spinning my wheels but what the hell, thought I'd inquire.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea if I did something contrary to policy when I uploaded the image. Most probably as it got more restrict afterwards I had uploaded it. But I am not so in sync of what is considered good standards by wikipedia. There was a previous map from the heritage foundation that I replaced with this newer one. I don't know what kind of license the heritage foundation has on the image. Maybe you could find that out. Do whatever you feel like with the image. Lord Metroid 01:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Quadell. I just noticed your delete of the image Bjlata1.jpg
As you can see by my submission made only minutes before closure, I agree with the delete decision. I think you made the right call here, and I support it.
On the other hand, given that debates on these subjects are sometimes heated and have plenty of disagreement, I feel very strongly that you should try to be exceptionally careful in following the procedure fairly and without any scope for complaint. The normal procedure is for discussion to be allowed for five days. This image was nominated on 18:15, 19 August 2007. You have closed the discussion just a bit over four days later, and proceeded with the actual delete at the same time, despite the fact that the discussion was still active.
There are so many deletions being nominated at present that you should be especially careful not to give the impression that this is being railroaded through unreasonably. I cordially request you to keep carefully to the five day discussion period. Thank you —Duae Quartunciae (talk · cont) 01:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
You deleted only this Image:BrownUniversity-JohnHayLibrary.jpg, even though I have take about 50 other photos for List of Brown University buildings. Wouldn't it have been better to contact me first? Now I have to go back and take another photo. Thank you for wasting my time Apavlo 00:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
"If you created this photo yourself, then I can restore it for you. Are you willing to license it under the GFDL? "
Yes, I created it. I thought I selected the "Public Domain" option like I did with all my other photos. I don't have a copy of it anymore, so if you can restore it, that would be great. Thanks Apavlo 00:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I know you might not have had time, yet, but did you get a chance to look at the Neville Chamberlain image debate again? In particular the bit here? I really do think that arguing over the subjective criteria (NFCC#8) is distracting from the cases where people should be hunting down sources and copyright information. What do you think? I was pleased to actually be able to answer your NFCC#10 query after only a brief search. I was less pleased, of course, to find that it was in the Getty Archives, but then that's life. I do wonder as well, if that image gets deleted, whether it would be possible to bring a resolution to the NFCC#8 debate that took place there? A kind of, yes, those arguing that it passed NFCC#8 were right. It also passed NFCC#10 after sources and copyright information were found. But it failed NFCC#2. Without a clear explanation, if it is deleted, people arguing for the image to be kept might look back and think that their NFCC#8 arguments were considered wrong, which would be misleading, in my opinion, and would cause confusion. Carcharoth 02:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm wondering why the casa del puebla (actually I believe it should be pueblo) image was deleted. You indicated that it is replaceable with a free image. Now it might be true that a free image of the church building, if it still exists, could be obtained, but it would no longer have the sign "Casa del Pueblo" which gives it its historical significance. It would seem to me the historically significant photo could not be replaced with a free image. I think the image is a valid fair use. Please explain to me why you disagree. Also, doesn't the procedure for deletion of such images require that you notify the uploading party and wait a period of time? I received no notice. I would appreciate your thoughts. Mamalujo 18:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
No, I'm not writing to complain about my block--though it did occur at a point when it served more as punishment than prevention. At any rate, the break did me good and I've apologized to Videmus Omnia for my inappropriate language.
I'm writing because I believe you improperly deleted three images that were nominated for deletion on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 August 19. They are: File:Cher in hell on wheels.JPG, File:MHWGOphoto10.jpg, and Image:Bjlata1.jpg. In each case, the image was deleted in contravention of the following primary instruction in Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/Instructions for administrators: "Before deleting an image, make sure of the following...No objections to its deletion have been raised, or a consensus to delete has been reached." In each case, two or more objections to the image's deletion were raised and there was--I believe it's more than safe to say--no consensus to delete. In the first two cases, no rationale at all was provided for overriding instruction. In the third case, only a personal opinion about the content of the debate was offered as rationale--"Many people offered spirited defenses of this image, but no one was able to explain what encyclopedic information this image conveys that could not be conveyed by text alone." Deleting on that basis obviously values an administrator's personal opinion about a subjective matter over the clear language of the instruction (and, obviously, over the opinion of most of those involved in the debate). To be clear, in none of these cases was it claimed either at the point of nomination or deletion that the image failed the sort of objectively testable requirement that might reasonably trump administrators' instruction. Are you willing to reverse yourself on these three deletions? Best, Dan.—DCGeist 22:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Quadell, what's the equivalent of WP:PUI on Commons? I'm concerned about Image:Amal-hijazi.jpg, which was repeatedly uploaded and deleted (under other names that I forget) as a WP:NFCC#1 violation on en Wikipedia. I'm dubious about the GFDL claim. Videmus Omnia Talk 23:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It appears that Polbot was autogenerating plants in alphabetical order. (Any idea why she skipped the "Y"s?) Therefore, it looks like she has reached the end of the plant list. Oh well, she appears to have done her tasks so I'll concede that she has ended her duty already, even if it was earlier than I had hoped. (If you have future plans for Polbot to auto-generate more, hopefully you may let us know.) Thanks for providing the programming & efforts of the kind & progressive bot. --70.179.175.240 08:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
After ~three months of sitting on it of of sheer procrastination, Perlwikipedia will now recognize images in categories retrieved via get_pages_in_category. This affects get_all_pages_in_category as well, because the latter uses the former function. Shadow1 (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)