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Can somebody explain why in chess tournaments usually have odd number of rounds, not even ? There is some good reason for this, it even compensates the fact that u cannot play the same number of games with white and black. But I forgot the reason :(
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.188.85.61 (talk) 22:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
Under "Variations of the Swiss system" 194.48.84.1 changed the name of the flexible system described from Konrad to Monrad. What is described is definately the Konrad. Monrad is very similar to the Swiss System proper, although it does not take the ELO rating into account as much as the Konrad system. Monrad is a common tournament system in Norway, and far more popular than Konrad, but I did not feel it merited separate mention due to its similarity with Swiss. 129.177.61.123 08:10, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Another modification of the Swiss system is "accelerated pairings", which is to reduce perfect scores faster. Players are ranked according to their rating and in the first round the top 1/4 plays the second 1/4, the third 1/4 plays the botton 1/4. In the second round, winners in the top half play each other, losers in the top half play winners in the bottom half, and losers in the bottom half play each other. It almost has the effect of another round. Someone can write this up, or maybe I'll get around to it after checking the details. Bubba73 (talk), 03:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Although single-elimination games have the same number of rounds as a swiss tournament, they do not have the same number of matches or games. With 8 players, there are 7 games in a single-elimination tournament, while in swiss style, there are 12.70.111.251.203 02:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone care to compare Swiss with double elimination? 70.111.251.203 13:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I think there should be a better explanation, perhaps a picture from a chess tournament that used it? A visual would help compare it to the other systems out there. (They have pictures).70.111.251.203 13:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Karpov recently said he didn't like the Swiss and commented on why. Might be a nice add in the disadvantages section, full info in a video (currently bottom of list) found here
I have removed the following text from the analysis section
The text seems based upon a misunderstanding of the Swiss System. The Swiss is not a knock-out tournament, even when it comes to the competition for first place. It is perfectly possible for a player who loses the first round to win the tournament simply by scoring the most points. It is not so that in a 64-player field, players losing round 1 compete for positions 33-64. If there are many players and few rounds, a first-round loss might knock you out of contention for first place, but if you proceed to win the rest of your games you are virtually assured at least a high spot.
If you look at this crosstable from a Norwegian Swiss-system tournament, you will see that the winner of group A lost the first round, but 4.5/6 points was still enough to win the tournament in the end. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there enough material to split off a Swiss-system tournaments in chess subarticle? I think the main article would be a little less "chess-heavy", and a chess-specific one could get more in-depth. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 05:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
FIDE handbook - not in a compendial status
--222.64.219.102 (talk) 06:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
--222.64.219.102 (talk) 06:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I just removed Starcraft 2 from the list of examples. Most tournaments use single elimination, the rest double elimination. I don't know one tournament that uses swiss.
What is kind of similar is the ladder system: What exact algorithm the ladder uses is unknown. What is known about it makes it something similar, but still different from swiss. For example, it is entirely possible to be pitted against the same opponent multiple times in a row on ladder. --UncleOwen (talk) 12:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Does this sentence make sense?
Under Analysis, advantages, and disadvantages, near the bottom:
This will then leave the right number of people to play a round robin even so to find the final number of entrants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lriley47 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
In a Swiss-system tournament, if there are eight players with the same score then external rankings can be used to pair #1 with #5, #2 with #6, #3 with #7, and #4 with #8. However in a single-elimination system, typically the goal for pairings for a round with eight players is #1 with #8, #2 with #7, #3 with #6, and #4 with #5. If there is an explanation for why these are different, can it be added to the article? 192.35.44.24 (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that makes sense for the single-elimination tournament. However, by my thinking it makes sense for the Swiss-system tournament as well -- why not arrange things similarly, so that #1's path to the top rank is as easy as possible? I am guessing that there is a counterveiling argument for the Swiss-system tournament case that is somehow not as applicable in the single-elimination tournament … but what is it? 192.35.44.24 (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps it is that, in the later rounds, a Swiss-system tournament has a tendancy to pair players with those of nearly equal rank. In particular, #4 and #5 could easily end up playing each other in a late round. Given that match-up duplications are to be minimized, there is incentive to avoid pairing #4 and #5 in the first round. Do you think that is part of the reasoning? 192.35.44.24 (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
There is another issue if the tournament is using tie-breaks based on the opponents' scores (this is very common, e.g. Solkoff, Median, and Sonneborn-Berger). In this case #1 will usually dispatch #8 easily, but since #8 will usually have scored very few points, #1 will not enjoy a good tie-break score for it. #1 may well have preferred to struggle a little more in defeating #5, in order to obtain more tie-break points. Sjakkalle (Check!) 05:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
This is a variation on the overall theme, does not justify a separate article. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I came to this page looking for the difference between Monrad and Swiss tournaments. I find that the article is unclear about whether it talks about one system, or a family of similar systems. The very first sentence mixes "tournaments" and "tournament formats" - thus keeping the question unclear.
Later, the article talks about "the Swiss system" - whereas several sources, including FIDE, mentions different Swiss systems. According to the FIDE definition, "Monrad" is a Swiss system.
I have made a quite bold change, making the article clearly about all different Swiss systems, including Monrad. I hope I have succeeded in doing so clearly and consistently
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Regarding the quote
“ | Due to the unpredictability of the pairings, the Swiss system is not suitable for events where fixtures need to be booked in advance, such as football tournaments. | ” |
luokehao, Friday 1 June, 2018, 02:57:45 (UTC)
I have noticed that those games where Swiss-system tournaments are used are, without exception, games of pure skill with no or negligible elements of luck (see 2012’s Untangling Skill and Luck by Michael J. Mauboussin and his ‘Skill and Luck’ for details). That the character of a Swiss-system tournament is unsuitable for games like soccer and gridiron where luck plays a substantial and often decisive role in outcomes is intuitive to me – pairing teams on results over a short period may not be pairing them on actual skill but on results determined substantially by luck. Nonetheless, the element of tradition certainly applies, especially to sports like two-innings forms of cricket or to Australian Rules, where divisional leagues or knockouts have been invariably used. luokehao, Friday 1 June 2018, 11:32:02 (UTC)