This article is within the scope of WikiProject Elections and Referendums, an ongoing effort to improve the quality of, expand upon and create new articles relating to elections, electoral reform and other aspects of democratic decision-making. For more information, visit our project page.Elections and ReferendumsWikipedia:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsTemplate:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsElections and Referendums articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles
The big problem with all this stuff is that it was covert and the evidence is circumstantial. I know there are people who believe that "Europe" interfered too so we will be critically dependent on reliable sources (aka "the mainstream media"). If it is in the Daily Telegraph, then it would have to be reported equally.
The article is about Russian interference. Most of the timeline should be deleted as it has nothing to do with the article subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.55.49 (talk) 06:02, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RaviC, that's only part of the page move history. Here is the rest:
10 Jan 2018: Page created with title "Russian interference in the 2016 United Kingdom referendum on exiting the European Union"
12 Apr 2018: Page moved to "Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum"
8 Jan 2019: Page moved to "Alleged Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum"
16 Jan 2019: Page moved back to "Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum"
14 May 2019: Page moved again to "Alleged Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum" (by RaviC)
That the page has stayed at "Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum" for over a year, from 12 April 2018 to 14 May 2019 (except for a week in January), is consensus by WP:SILENCE for the title. I agree with X1 that you should revert the move, and if you think it should be moved, start an RM. Levivich21:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know enough about the topic to say what the best title is but I agree that being at a title for over a year counts as a long standing title, especially when the article isn't that much older and its a recent event. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:54, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the article to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ!06:19, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Both a Commons select committee and a US Senate committee have clearly stated there was interference. I believe that is sufficient to justify the present title.Charles (talk) 22:23, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you have to resort to an ad hominem attack, you must know that your case is weak. The Select Committee can make an assessment based on balance of probabilities and their report is detailed and clear (see citation). The High Court did not give any finding of guilty or not guity on Russian involvement since it is irrelevant to the substantive point of law that they had to consider. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The article isn't titled this way because it's an incontrovertible fact, but because that's how the phenomenon is commonly identified, including by key sources like those noted above. Requiring something to be proven in court is not the standard by which Wikipedia articles are titled. ╠╣uw[talk]09:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not a good answer. If the responsible Select Committee, on considering the evidence, came to a conclusion on the balance of probabilities, then it is without doubt the most reliable source for this article. To argue otherwise needs an impeccable source of equal standing. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
An allegation is an allegation until proved. Also (as far as I know) the actual investigation is still ongoing, only interim (I.E. unfinished) reports have been issued.Slatersteven (talk) 12:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Proof is only required in a criminal case (see above). In this case, the Select Committee has heard the evidence and decided that it is probably true. In any case, my opinion and yours are of no importance: we report wp:rs. So if you want to contradict the Select Committee, you need a equally reliable source.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Marek and Huw. It doesn't matter if it's proven in a court of law, or if Wikipedia editors think it is "alleged" or not, it only matters what the RSes say. I don't see evidence that the RSes refer to it as "alleged interference" as opposed to "interference". (See, for example, the links I posted in the AfD of this article.) The viewpoint that there was no interference can be handled in the article in accordance with WP:DUE, but renaming the article would be undue. Levivich21:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the quote in the "After the 23 June 2016 vote" section from the 2018 January, a US Senate minority report : The Russian government has sought to influence democracy in the United Kingdom through disinformation, cyber hacking, and corruption. While a complete picture of the scope and nature of Kremlin interference in the UK's June 2016 referendum is still emerging... etc. It's explicit. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 03:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Many of the primary web sites advocating for Brexit seem have vanished. This is not original research on my part but I though it may be ad rem once we can see the Russian interference report.
Then we move onto the 2019 General Election
• City Action spent £40,534 on ‘pro-business' ads during the 2019 election campaign. No posts since December 11th. They’re now a GoDaddy holding page and a dead Gmail address - https://twitter.com/WhoTargetsMe/status/1277965371924819974?s=20
• ‘Capitalist Worker’ spent £37,790 between being set up on November 4th 2019 and December 12th. A couple of cursory posts since, but it doesn’t really exist any more. They even managed to get most of their ads taken down - https://twitter.com/WhoTargetsMe/status/1277966650734596096?s=20
• Parents’ Choice spent £43,835 attacking Labour’s education policies, then disappeared. It’s now just a privacy notice. (Richard Tracey, the named data controller is a former Conservative MP and was formerly then-• London-Mayor Boris Johnson’s “Ambassador for the River”) - https://twitter.com/WhoTargetsMe/status/1277968423599759365?s=20
• The Campaign Against Corbynism keeps on rolling, after spending £50k on ads during the election campaign (but nothing before and less than £1k since). Still no idea who they are - https://twitter.com/WhoTargetsMe/status/1277964366441111560?s=20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.181.108 (talk) 18:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]