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![]() | On 30 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Debate on the Monarchy in Australia. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
It was suggested by Mr IP that it would be better to base my objection to G2bambino's edits on the basis of relevance. The Statute of Westminster is not connected to republicanism in Australia. It was not a product of republican sentiment nor did it stir up republicanism in our nation. Perhaps this belongs in a article on colonialism. --Lawe (talk) 08:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
[De-indent] What you are doing is purposefully impeding discussion by not clearly answering questions or addressing issues. You said that succession law is irrelevant to the republican issue in Australia. I said that then included Brennan's statement, as it relates to succession (i.e. the UK parliament's control over it). You said Brennan's comment did not relate to succession, but related to representation of Australia, instead. I asked you to clarify exactly how it speaks about representation and not succession, as I certainly don't see it. You have not responded to that last question, and continue to edit as though it was never asked. --G2bambino (talk) 15:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Lets compile a list of republicans who support Malcolm Turnbill's moratorium on republicanism during this Queen's reign. 121.216.35.172 (talk) 17:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Does reference 43 really prove those gentlemen support Mr Turnbull's moratorium?121.216.35.172 (talk) 13:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I've just protected this article from editing for one week to encourage the resolution of the slow-paced edit war which has been going on here in the last few weeks. Nick-D (talk) 08:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Given the backwards-and-forwards edits of the polls on this page, it would make sense to put them all in a single table, such as this:
Poll | Date undertaken (published) | Monarchy | Republic | Don't know | Margin of Error | Number surveyed |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Sydney Morning Herald and Sun Herald[1] | (21 November 2010)[* 1] | 25% | 68% | 1,000 |
Thoughts? --LJ Holden 07:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
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The current "stable" lead says "Such sentiments have been expressed in Australia from before federation onward to the present, generally achieving little success or approval." An anon editor changed the end of the sentence to "but have thus far been unsuccessful." IMHO the Anon edit is actually more accurate, the approval or otherwise of Republicanism in Australia is discussed elsewhere in the article, and contradicts the lead statement. --LJ Holden 09:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Is there some kind of legal prohibition on this or is it just actively discouraged? I'd be interested in a cite for that one. -- MichiganCharms (talk) 09:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
All readers should know that this article is biased to give the false impression that republicanism is "on life support" and has had little success. Canadian monarchists monitor this page closely to defend bad edits, selectively quote the media and introduce confusing material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.245.210.251 (talk) 19:18, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
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The article previously said "The election of a Labor majority in 1972 marked the end of a period where Australians saw themselves principally as part of the Commonwealth of Nations (formerly the British Empire)". It's not clear to me what this actually refers to, I have tried to rationalise this by adding "with the Whitlam government implementing a number of reforms that strengthened Australia's independent nationhood". Does anyone know what the original author might have meant? What specifically is special about the Whitlam government that led to such a (seemingly) sudden change in national identity? --62.189.73.197 (talk) 12:10, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I rarely edit articles about republicanism (including Republicanism in Canada), so I won't be giving input on what should/shouldn't be in this article. I would recommend though, that the 'current' content dispute be resolved here. GoodDay (talk) 17:17, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, I requested input from WP:AWNB. My trick-knee tells me that a local-consensus here, won't likely be achieved. GoodDay (talk) 17:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone explain the relevance of Britain's foreign and economic policies, Australian currency, and British and Australian citizenship to the matter of republicanism in Australia? The article doesn't indicate the connection (and all the material is unsourced). --₪ MIESIANIACAL 23:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
There are matters here which are related to a conflict of interest issue. Travelmite (talk) 02:58, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
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There is an open Request for Comment at Talk:Monarchy_of_Australia#Request_for_comment_on_terms on whether Queen Elizabeth II should be described as the monarch or the head of state. One term is undisputed, the other not so much. --Pete (talk) 21:40, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
The option of having both terms in the intro is being discussed, as well. GoodDay (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
The article should state whether the current Prime Minister Scott Morrison is a monarchist or a republican. 122.106.83.10 (talk) 06:08, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Morrison is a monarchist and I just put a source on it in the article. 122.106.83.10 (talk) 14:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Surely the article should make mention of the idea of a uniquely Australian monarchy, which would involve not having a monarch who is in a personal union with the monarch of the United Kingdom, but a uniquely Australian monarch, who resides in Australia. Such a proposal has already been made for the Canadian monarchy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 19:36, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
The cited reference has a deceptive heading, because in the article, the Canadian monarchists also suggest that all the Commonwealth realms, including Australia, should have their own unique and resident monarchs, not just Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 01:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
User:Iliketoeatbeansalot a better place for this content would be Monarchy of Australia. This article is specifically about proposals for a republic. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 11:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the article should be renamed "Debate on the Monarchy in Australia" instead. There are several other monarchist arguments present in the article, and there is no article about monarchism in Australia. Alternatively perhaps an article about monarchism in Australia should be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 14:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
The sources are reliable for these particular statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 21:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Recently, on 8 March, the page was edited to mention a John Fleay is "researching the only PhD on an Australian Republic model in Australia's history." As on the current page, a citation associated with a Fleay mention, source 54 https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4706-7475 only links to Fleay's profile, with their works at the bottom. That mention of Fleay with that source also draws a grand comparison between their research, and John Adams' Thoughts on Government 1776.
My current issue is not only is the language oddly grand and... almost puffery? in regards to Fleay, I wonder if Fleay, or a friend of Fleay is trying to promote their work via WIkipedia edits. The IP address associated with the edit, 139.230.253.13 also made multiple edits to the Uluru Statement, one example being https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=904715667&oldid=904714974&title=Uluru_Statement_from_the_Heart&diffmode=source - and an edit to deem this person as notable on the Edith Cowan University page.
I could be seeing a Jesus out of burnt toast here, but is this IP address promoting themselves or a friend of theirs? Regardless, I think the mentions of Fleay seem out of place and trying to promote their status. Do tell your take on this (eg Fleay's work really is this significant, coincidence, etc)iamthinking2202 (please ping on reply if you would be so kind) 15:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Were Australia to move towards becoming a republic initiated by those serving in "Positions of Trust" that have taken oaths of office that read
Oath of Office Australia The current Oath of Office is: I, (name), do swear that I will well and truly serve the people of Australia in the office of (position) and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Australia.
Three of many significant questions arise
1- Would honoring oaths become a redundant factor in the new republic- and would this effect the basic principles of contract law as in a promise is only required to secure the desired position/property before it can be dismissed (Australian lip service only?)
2- Is it only the legal Fraternity within the Australian government that turns a blind eye to the Australian rendition of honoring oaths or can the ANZACs insist that those who choose to dishonor Australians with blatant corruption are told to step down immediately
3- Is government the appropriate body to challenge the government or conventional standards of conduct/constitution? Mutiny is a call to arms?
Barry Cowlishaw (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Thee is a very long paragraph about the views of LFAR Are they significant? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
I have tried to automatically fix bare URLs with several tools, including Reflinks. Unfortunately, it cannot fix a single URL as shown here, so I must fill them in automatically. Editors, please fix this urgent issue, as there are way too many URLs for me to fix alone. Also, can you also explain why URL filler tools don't work most of the time?
Sincerely, Thenewright22 (talk) 04:28, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
A lot has been discussed in the article on the effect of transitioning to a republic on a federal level, but should we discuss what implications would arise for a state level? Do any sources mention what would happen if the subnational states remained monarchical, say the Governor of Queensland still being the viceregal representative of the King, but then having an independent federal President? Does the republic movement cover whether the state governors would assume the structure of state governors in the US, with a Lieutenant Governor as the understudy? What about the potential federal office of Vice-President and establishing a Presidential line of succession which would be required. It seems like a lot of important details either haven't been considered by republicans, or we have not come across adequate sources to support further details. 203.46.132.214 (talk) 04:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
@Thiscouldbeauser: you added ref tag with the name "ninems1", but there's no ref with that name. Please fill in the source you intended. -- Fyrael (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
@Iliketoeatbeansalot appears to be [1] insistent on including the last sentence at the #Uniquely Australian monarch section. In order to avoid a possible edit war, I am mentioning it here for discussion. The statements are sourced only to the websites of the organisations, and not reliable sources, and I suggest the sentence to be deleted. KangarooGymnast (talk) 21:26, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
Republicanism on Australia is mostly about nationalism and having a uniquely Australian monarch would reduce the ideological arguments about monarchy in Australia as well. Sources from monarchist and republican organisations appear elsewhere in the article. They should be removed if these are removed. The statement made clear that the Australian Alternative Monarchist Association is not officially recognized and so would not be misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 16:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
I propose that the article be renamed as Debate on the Monarchy in Australia as the article contains both republican and monarchist arguments and there is a Debate on the monarchy in Canada article and a Republicanism in Canada article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 15:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
<nowiki><nowiki><nowiki><nowiki><nowiki><nowiki>((subst:requested move|New name|reason= The article is very biased against the opinion that Australia should have its own resident monarch, as it incorrectly assumes that the only way that Australia could no longer share monarch with the United Kingdom is by becoming a republic. There are several status quo monarchist arguments in the article and these should either be removed or else the article should be renamed. There is a Debate on the Monarchy in Canada article as well as a Republicanism in Canada article and a Monarchism in Canada article. Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk) 16:12, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Republicanism in Australia → Debate on the Monarchy in Australia – The article is very biased against the opinion that Australia should have its own resident monarch, as it incorrectly assumes that the only way that Australia could no longer share monarch with the United Kingdom is by becoming a republic. There are several status quo monarchist arguments in the article and these should either be removed or else the article should be renamed. There is a Debate on the Monarchy in Canada article as well as a Republicanism in Canada article and a Monarchism in Canada article.} Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk) 16:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The article has nothing to do with republicanism. It is almost entirely about nationalism, and even the ideological objections to the monarchy could be solved by having a resident monarch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot (talk • contribs) 17:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)