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My beef is with this quote:
"According to pornography scholar Stephen Strager, North's stage name, like that of many other male pornographic actors, 'expresses the controlling man-as-penis metaphor while precisely articulating the masturbator’s big-dick fantasies.'"
I couldn't find anything about Stephen Strager being a "pornography scholar," and I can't seem to find anything about his credentials. I found a book that he wrote regarding men and pornography, but that hardly qualifies him as a scholar. Regardless, this bit of trivia is irrelevant, and reflects one man's opinion that is not supported by any evidence, nor is there any indication that Peter North thought that "deeply" when choosing his name. I'm deleting this ridiculous quote. If anything, the quote doesn't belong here, but rather belongs in an article relating to the philosophy of pornography or sex.
What the hell is a "pornography scholar"?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.115.232 (talk) 04:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
The count on gay films exceeds 5. I counted 12 of them he had appeared in when I worked in a video store that "had a back room" in college. I have just checked his website and he doesn't mention any gay films. 71.28.243.246 18:15, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
The nature of Wikipedia (and perhaps its greatest weakness) is that anyone can add or delete information. That's likely the reason for the discrepancy between the number of films he's been in.
Moreover, anyone who thinks North's cumshots are "mediocre" need to rent or download a few more from his heyday. Regardless of how many days he goes without sex, the average man does not produce that much ejaculate. It may not be unique, but it's certainly extremely unusual. (And staying on a good diet will most certainly NOT affect the amount of a man's ejaculate. That's one of many myths, along with the various supplements hocked by people like Peter North on their web sites.)
Lastly, I'm not surprised that North doesn't mention any of his gay videos on his web site (as another person pointed out); he had a habit of denying them in interviews for many years, stating at first that he hadn't done any, then that they used a stand-in for the actual sex acts, and then refusing to talk about them at all. With all the concern about AIDS that runs though the Adult Video Industry, it's no wonder he's so reluctant to come clean about them. Many female Adult Video "stars" have refused to be in scenes with bi or gay-for-pay actors.
How could anyone possibly think the "North" part of his name refers to his Canadian heritage? Peter North is an obvious pun for an erection, kinda like Dick E. Normous and Hugh G. Rection. Am I the only one who sees this? The guy who keeps changing it back to the "Great White North" Canadian reference needs to ask around, see what makes more sense to people besides himself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.239.248.1 (talk) 23:40:05, August 19, 2007 (UTC)
a LOT of the stuff in this article just screams vandalism...i mean, seriously, lines like 'Often, his performances are so rigourous and athletic, that his female co-stars are left unable to walk properly for days.' and 'He is also able to produce a large number of spurts when he ejaculates (achieving a world record of 15 shots).' sound very tabloidish - and very un-encyclopediaish. not to mention there's no cite for the 'world record' claim, and the only relevant result in google seems to be this page.
so i'm gonna try to do a quick edit to just get it down to the basic facts...if someone wants to expand it again with verifiable information, that would be great. Felixjones 06:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Instead of removing content, why don't you contribute by adding the information that you think is missing, i.e., pick 20 or so of his straight films and add those in? If we started deleting articless about people or events less importnant than people and events about which Wikipedia does not have articles, we'd lose half our content. The article makes it clear that he did way more straight films than gay ones, so the videography is not going to mislead anyone. You can help make this article better by contributing, rather than deleting. Zeromacnoo 13:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
So we have an article about someone who is known only because he makes porn movies, but the article isn't going to mention a single one (other than the one in the picture) because you don't have the time to add what you think is missing, and you're using that as a reason to delete any other mentions. Nice. Zeromacnoo 13:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
The article never suggested that he made only gay films. It was very clear that he made over 1000 films, only a handful of which were gay. How is that biased? I have no desire to present a biased view, and no-one who read the article could get any impression other than that he was predominantly a staright porn star. It is reasonable to assume that the reader will read more than just the list. The videography that appeared before was insufficient, I agree, but deleting it instead of improving it is just plain lazy. There are a lot of articles in Wikipedia that aren't very good, but that can serve as a base of creating a better article. It is not accepted prctice to delete them because they don't meet the standard.
I have nonetheless taken a crack at expanding it to reflect his career better by listing some of the main series in which he has appeared as a regular, and by removing the gay films that were obviously loops. The staright list represents several dozen films. If you want to improve it, please go ahead. At this point, however, if you continue in your deletionism, it is going to be obvious that you are trying to cover up his gay career, rather than improve the article. Zeromacnoo 13:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
It never ceases to amaze me, the lengths to which people will go to express their homophobia...even when it comes to porn stars. I've always wondered why "straight" guys follow the careers of male porn stars in the first place. Seems a bit "gay" to me, don'tcha think?
I edit wikipedia articles, so obviously my penis is HUGE :awesome:
None of you will EVER know this guy's penis size, because none of you will ever get a chance to measure it. This is like arguing over whether Superman or The Flash can run faster. It's all imaginary. Porn stars and their "people" never tell the truth about penis size...they always add inches. Are you people all 15 years old?
Bayareadude 18:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
His penis is huge, he has one of the biggest penis's in porn. The reason it sometime looks smaller is due to his tremendous thickness. His penis volume is probably twice that of the average male. In the film 'The Mistress 2' he is given oral and his penis looks HUGE and it is clearly much bigger than Madisons face. The man is a complete stud.
62.56.55.99 11:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
North's penis size of 8.5" in length by 6" in midshaft girth translates into a volume of nearly 25 cubic inches. Since the volume of the average penis is around 11 cubic inches, that makes North's penis roughly 125% larger than average. To be twice as large as average, his penis would only need to be about 22 cubic inches in volume. It's clearly larger than that, especially when the more substantial girth of the base of his penis is taken into consideration. And as for North's penis being much larger than Madison's face, it's seldom NOT noticeably larger than his female co-stars' faces. Please see the links referenced below for some citations of this fact. One last thing: you're right about the size distortion on video. Any object that is very thick when compared to its length, will appear smaller than it really is when being viewed via particular angles in a picture or video. Also, the human eye tends to perceive longer objects as larger than thicker objects when, in reality, the thicker object may be of equal or greater volume than its longer counterpart.
Solcis 05:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I, too, have been blessed with a large penis, which is one of the reasons why I'm a regular contributor to Peter North's Wikipedia entry. I agree that penis size is very often exaggerated... which is why Peter North's penis size has, on many occasions, been estimated to be in excess of 10 inches. Point taken. I never disagreed.
To address your comments regarding Tommy Lee's penis, how can you determine his size relative to Peter North? How can you know he's larger or smaller without additional frames of reference? I've seen Peter perform with hundreds of women. They (their bodies) are my frames of reference. But the video with Tommy Lee only has Pamela Anderson in it. There's just no way you can know how large he is with a lone frame of reference. On a guess, I feel that Tommy's penis is close to the same length of Peter's, but Peter is quite a bit thicker than Tommy. Again, there's no way to know for sure- unless additional Tommy Lee sex tapes with additional women suddenly surface.
Regarding Asia Carrera's comments, take a look at her quote that you included. Then look here at her scene pairings with male pornstars- http://www.iafd.com/matchups.rme/perfid=AsiaC/gender=F According to this page, the largest performers that she had sex with were Julian, Peter North, Rocco Siffredi and Voodoo. Although she performed on three occasions with Rocco, she performed only once each with the other three men. Yes, you read that right: Asia Carrera has performed ONLY ONCE onscreen with Peter North. She has performed with in excess of 50 men onscreen, most of them on repeat occasions. In your quote above, Asia said that "some of the guys do have monster weenies... I won't work with anyone 8 or more inches if I can help it". Just who do you think she's referring to here?? I'll help you: she's certainly not referring to men whom she's appeared in scene after scene with.
I've presented quite a bit of material here, which clearly shows Peter North's penis to be close to 8.5 inches in length and about 6 inches in girth. But you've ignored almost all of it. Yet, you feel that Wikipedia is deteriorating and you fault its contributors. That's slightly ironic and perhaps a wee bit hypocritical, don't you think?
Solcis 07:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how anyone can possibly believe Peter North's penis to be of average size. Please see these five links for plenty of comparative pics, which illustrate just how abnormally large his appendage really is:
http://www.yummystars.com/galleries/pn/alicia_rhodes/ Warning: Contains explicit sexual content
http://www.freepornofreeporn.com/free_pic/gallery_018/pornstar/peter_north/pooecopicda.html Warning: Contains explicit sexual content
http://fapomatic.com/show.php?loc=49&f=peter_northvery_very_big01.jpg Warning: Contains explicit sexual content
http://fapomatic.com/show.php?loc=49&f=peter_northvery_very_big02.jpg Warning: Contains explicit sexual content << here it quite clearly shows him measuring his penis to be at just about exactly 8 inches. i think thats about as accurate a measurement as you'll all get! 58.107.85.224 15:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
http://fapomatic.com/show.php?loc=47&f=peter_norths_pov_4tight_stretched_pussies.jpg Warning: Contains explicit sexual content
Considering the measurements of the average woman's wrists, forearms, head and hands, Peter North's listed length of 8.5 inches is a fair, if not somewhat conservative, estimate. The same goes for his reported (midshaft) girth of 6 inches. The last link shows how, in just one video, his penis manages to visibly stretch out the vagina of each one of his co-stars. He's able to do that to the vast majority of female starlets out there. It is simply impossible for a penis of average-sized girth (i.e. 5 inches) to stretch out such a high percentage of vaginas like that. Many videos featuring amateur men with average-sized penises, such as the Shane's World and College Invasion series, bear this out time and again. If your penis has a girth of 5 inches, can you stretch out a vagina like that? I think the answer is obvious.
Concerning North's reported length of 8.5 inches (measured pubic bone-pressed over the top, or dorsal, section of the penis), in the vast majority of his performances his female co-stars are able to grasp his penis with two full hands, leaving uncovered the entire portion of his glans. In many cases even a small portion of the shaft below the glans is left uncovered. Since the size of the average woman's hands is just over 3 inches in width, that easily puts North's penis at a minimum of 8 inches in length. If you don't believe me, have your wife or girlfriend grasp your penis with two hands in the same manner and see how much is left visible. With the average penis, both female hands will cover it entirely and will, in many cases, even exceed its total length. What does that tell you about North's purported length?
Solcis 09:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
What makes North fascinating to watch is his amazing force and amount of ejaculate. A very respectable reason to admire the guy. That he claims such a large penis, however, in the face of obvious contradictory evidence (i.e., just watch one of his movies) diminishes any respect one might've had for the guy.
You only have to point your mouse to penis size to see how absurd North's claim of 8.5 inches long/6 inches around is. Watch a North film for yourself: he is obviously quite large; probably a tad over 7" in length; 5" or little more in girth.
Remember - the length is measured from the top, not from somewhere in the prostate/scrotum region. And, as stated in penis size, the circumference must be measured, and averaged, from three locations. The largest measurement of a North's girth, as in most cases, would be at the base. At this point North' penis might be 6" in diameter, but at best his other two measurements will average just under 5". I.e., "official" actual girth measurement is probably just over 5".
Again, the best way to check a porn star's claims is by watching. Peter North has a larger-than-average penis, but the claim of 8.5"/6" is just plain silly. Keglined 18:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
North's reported size of 8.5 inches only reflects his length. His girth has been reported to be 6 inches around, in conjunction with his length measurement- although I am unable to find the supporting reference.
According to the Lifestyles Condoms study, a penis length of 8.25-9 inches is only found in 0.5% of all males (1 out of every 200 men). 8.5 inches is just under 3 standard deviations beyond the average penis length. The same study also concluded that a penis girth of 6-6.75 inches is slightly more common- found in 1.1% of all males (approximately 1 out of every 100 men). 6 inches is over 1.5 standard deviations beyond the average penis girth.
A combination of both such exceptional length and girth must be quite rare, but it is not clear how rare from the current stats. Regardless, the dimensions of North's penis are quite believable given the size of the population and his size relative to other Caucasian porn actors.
Solcis 14:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I hesitate to get involved in this inane debate, but let me just say two things. First, 8.5 inches is NOT all that big. I've been with hundreds of guys who were that large or larger, so it's not as rare as you're all making it out to be (and certainly not 1 in 200 like the condom research mentioned above). Second, none of you will ever be able to accurately assess the size of this guy's cock, so why waste so much time, space, and bandwidth dicussing it? I find it curious that a bunch of (presumably) straight men would be so involved in this discussion anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.202.65.250 (talk) 17:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
he is about 8 inches exactly, believe me. we also measured his ejaculate volume, after just two days 'rest' he ejaculates 9ml. he suffers from hyperspermia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.81.232 (talk) 15:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Anyone saying North's penis is 7 to 7½ inches is way outta line. Mine's 7 and North's is, to me, notably longer. 8½ is a pretty good bet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.112.95 (talk) 15:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Of what relevance is North's penis size? Seriously, some people have WAAAY to much time too watch porn on their hands (pun intended) considering how long and, er, impassioned this debate is.
It's just plain silly--and oh, so high school--that this much web-page space has been wasted on such an utterly trivial subject.
And these claims about personal penis size--what could possibly be more un-encyclopedic than editors boasting about their penis size? It's hard for me to imagine anything more juvenile.
The only really relevant fact is that the vagina only has nerve endings in the first third of the canal's length. So a penis much larger than 5 or 6 inches (according to expert findings I've read, the average penis size for American men is 5.25 inches in length) isn't going to do a man much good with the ladies. Besides, the vast majority of orgasms are cause by direct clitoral stimulation. The "vaginal orgasm" is essentially a myth. Asia Carrera's statement is perfectly consonantly with reality from an ex who once told me how uncomfortable sex was with a guy much larger than North's putative "length" and "girth."
But we should keep in mind that these movies are made largely for men (despite that fact that some sociologists have reported that demo which rents the most porn videos are married couples). The statement from the sexologist about the "masturbator's big dick fantasies" is far more encyclopedic than these ad nauseum debates about North's package.
I agree that the man is a cultural phenomenon and is deserving of an article in wikipedia. But the juvenalia that surrounds it--and his organ--are just plain silly.
PainMan (talk) 10:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that this is one of the funniest discussions I have ever seen on wikipedia. I certainly want to read some more posts about "average vagina stretching" ability etc.
I would have to contend that "He also has a stunningly muscular, chiseled physique." isn't exactly NPOV. ;) 70.92.174.251 00:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Idiot statement He also has a stunningly muscular, chiseled physique. Besides, he masturbates in a unique way that easily leads to very romantic sexual fantasy. just deleted. Solcis 19:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
It has been stated that he officially said that his ejaculation amount was due to the supplement he was taking. However, someone wrote "Although according to earlier testimony, Peter North has clearly admitted that his ejaculations have always been of a high volume and that he didn't know it was above the norm until he began his career in the porn industry." Where did they cite this from? Is there any proof or is this merely hear say? If we have proof he stated his ejaculations were by the aid of a supplement and then he states that they have always been of a high volume but he didn't know until he enter the porn industry, then obviously it contradicts one another. Either that, or he (Peter North) is just lying. Either way, it would be nice to see proof of what this person has written.
Mag
I can confirm that North said something to the effect that his ejaculations have always been of a high volume, but he didn't know that until he starting doing porn. I read this a few years ago in a men's magazine. He also said in the same interview that he didn't know his penis was much larger than average until his initiation into the porn industry. This interivew may have been Maxim or FHM, but I really don't remember. I just remember the content. At the same time, though, he's claimed that his pills are responsible for his ejaculation volume. This claim about his pills has been made fairly lately and he has a personal stake in seeing them sell, so it doesn't hold much water. On top of that, no one in the porn industry has yet been able to come close to Peter's ejaculation volume, which would not be the case if his pills actually worked.
Solcis 23:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
He does state that you can view his North Pole series saying that in it he has his guys taking it and that is testimonal right there (in the endorsement). As for no one coming close to his ejaculations, there are several other guys which I've seen come close, if not surpass him. Rodney Moore's ejaculations are on par with his in many people's opinions. There are other random videos which I myself have seen in which the actors within the video produce an amount of semen competitively comparable to Peter North. However, many of these actors are just a fish within the huge sea of the porn industry. Lastly, I have heard there are supplements which one can take to increase his ejaculation amount. That's what male fertility pills do. From what I have also heard there is a supplement which steroids users take when they come off of steroids. Apparently that supplement increases semen quite a bit. I wouldn't deny the existence of a supplement helping one's ejaculation ability. Furhtermore, if indeed this supplement was a hoax, he offers a money back guarantee. Therefore, if it indeed did not work, he would be out of business quickly due to unsatisified people sending it back. One thing is for sure, and that is that he is trying to cash in on his name.
Mag
Rodney Moore's climaxes, although impressive, still don't compare to North's. In one particular video, North ejaculated about 8 or 9 times into a champagne glass. It was an average, or slightly above average climax for him. After the final drops and dribbles, there appeared to be between 1 and 2 tablespoon's worth of semen in the glass. The average man produces between 1 and 3 teaspoons's worth of semen per climax. In other words, if my observation above is correct, North produces roughly 3 times as much semen as the average man. I've seen this in other videos, where Peter and another male porn star would ejaculate at least 7 times per climax, only North's ejaculations appeared much whiter, thicker and voluminous than his co-star- even though both of them would manage around the same number of ejaculations per climax. Other male porn stars, such as Manuel Ferrara, manage to consistently ejaculate 6-9 times per climax, but don't produce the type of voluminous ejaculations that are the mark of Peter North. My own theory about this is that North somehow produces much more seminal fluid than the average man. Seminal fluid is very white and thick in its consistency, compared with the other significant portion of the ejaculate, prostate fluid (which is fairly thin and clear in its consistency). Ferrara and other so-called "heavy" ejaculators appear to produce much more prostate, rather than seminal, fluid. Moore's ejaculations have some of North's thicker, whiter consistency, but they aren't nearly as voluminous.
Solcis 04:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Please delete the supplement link on sight
I just removed it again, and it doesn't stand up and is not worthy of inclusion. The active ingredient of the spam product I checked and has absolutely nothing to suggest it could increase ejaculate volume. It's just an attempt to cash in with the totally nonsense 'Peter North's secret'.
Let's not include links to penis enlargement pills or other such nonsense here.
87.74.14.78 01:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
According to Tommy Lee's biography, "Tommyland", Tommy says he had met Peter at a party and point blank asked him what he does to acheive the volume of semen that he does. I have Tommy's book, but I am NOT quoting it directly here. In short, Tommy's words were that Peter told him that the day before a video shoot, he eats a bunch of celery - not a lot of celery, but the whole bunch itself. He says that Peter told him that celery contains a ton of water and some sort of stimulant that increases semen production. Tommy further goes on to say that he has yet to try it and see if it actually works. I looked up medicinal properties of celery and found nothing to support Peter's claim. However, along with other various tidbits of trivia, wikipedia does note the following: "Celery contains androsterone, a hormone released through sweat glands said to attract women."
204.62.140.102 20:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Surely most porn stars are famous for large breasts? ;) Or, to be serious, should the sentence read "Like most MALE porn stars..." Or I am being very naive about the porn business?
yes, you are being very naive.213.140.6.96 19:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
The term of bisexual is validly outdated. In the adult film industry it is common to have a totally straight male star performing gay scenes. Unfortunately it becomes impossible to deny such acts because of documentation. A better term for Norths sexual preferance and one that describes his current professional attitude is "Elite". Take his denial for what it is, a reflection into his own personal interest. As of current his favorite type of ADULT PARTNER is large breasted and youthful (a choice he shares with almost every other male). His lifestyle is regimented from fitness routines to nutrition practices, all in order to aid in making for a better in-scene performance. Sexual perfomance on demand makes him one of the best and most interesting male adult stars to watch. Devlopment of "hardcore" film is his best work, but he has also shown interest for more cinamatic works.
I'm suprised to see that he listed as a gay porn star even though he is most known for his hetrosexual roles. He may be bi-sexual or someone who really did somthing they werent proud of to get into porn (thus his denial).
I think director William Higgins' (and there is no reason to doubt him) recollection about Peter's gay performances clearly suggests the actor's enjoyment for receiving anal sex. At least a "potential" for the enjoyment of gay sex must be concluded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.19.184 (talk) 02:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Peter North is bisexual. Despite what some gay porn producers claim, no actual heterosexual or straight guy is going to do any sort of porn where he has sex with other men at all. It's all just marketing on the part of the porn companies. If you need the modern day equivalent of it see Sean Cody and a lot of other gay porn sites out there. Even if he did start doing gay porns just for the money in the very early 80s why did he keep doing gay and bisexual porns and returning to both gay and bisexual pornography several times between the mid 1990s totaling 14 movies in all? This was all after he got stated in hetero porn BTW. Interviews with those who worked closely with Peter North during his gay and bisexual shoots, such as gay porn director William Higgins, reveal the persistent opinion that he enjoyed the sex he had with men. In an interview with "Manshots" magazine in the early 90s, Higgins states that North continued to "stunt butt" after he left openly performing in gay films. 71.175.29.161 (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
Peter North is bisexual because there was no reason in the 1980ties to practice Gay-for-pay and he had not only active but also passive Anal sex. Actual straight Pornographic Film actors who practice Gay-for-pay like Seth Gamble didnt act as Bottoms and look strongly emotionally distanced during the whole act.--62.225.217.133 (talk) 09:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Why do you people insist on deleting the references to this guy's work in gay porn? I keep adding it in, and someone keeps deleting it each time. The fact is, he was a gay porn actor (Matt Ramsey) first.
The degree of homophobia in Wikipedia is staggering, particularly when dealing with straight male porn stars. Were this a page dealing with a FEMALE porn star, I bet you'd all be rushing to add information about her lesbian/bi videos and proclivities, and speculations about whether she liked it, etc.
Agreed.
It's also well known that Peter North is bisexual. So why is his orientation listed as heterosexual? No real hetero guy would do "gay for pay" porn or star in gay porn.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.103.102.92 (talk • contribs) 04:18, June 25, 2007 (UTC)
just because he's done gay porn don' mean he gay people will do anything for money. he has done gay things but he aint gay. im deleting this soon if nobody stops shitting
He's definately bi-sexual, wether he indulges in his private life is another matter. Consider this I'm 110% straight but for enough money (and I mean a shed load of money) I would bend over and take it like a champ. However, without Viagra I certainly couldn't get it up to do another man, for the simple reason I don't find other men sexually attractive in any shape or form. Peter North pre- Viagra was able to, so that makes him bi-sexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.116.201 (talk) 03:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Funny how many people say his sexual orientation doesn't matter, but then turn around and delete every entry that makes him seem like anything but 100% hetero (and 100% the maximum, mathematically, kids). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.215.35 (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Speculation about North's sexual orientation is irrelevant to the Matt Ramsey issue. The details of his gay porn career can and should be presented objectively. His gay porn work is a well-documented aspect of his biography, as is his reluctance to discuss it. Both can be presented without injecting opinion which results in deletion of the entire section. Let's put Matt Ramsey in the entry, reference the films he did as Ramsey, and leave it at that. Candideyam (talk) 05:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Without getting into the subject of his orientation, the end of the biography sections states that North is "openly homosexual", whereas it states the opposite in his "stats" box. I didn't make any corrections myself, since I'm honestly not bothered enough to research whether he's straight or gay.. Extenebris 10:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I've lived over 30 years in Hong Kong and never heard any reference to Peter North being considered a sex symbol there - in fact I doubt if most people there have ever heard of him. Can anyone verify the claim in the article?
Furthermore, I deleted "parts of" before Hong Kong - it's a small place with no local/regional media, so if his shows are in fact shown there, it would be across the whole territory. Rodparkes 03:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
If this guy only did gay porn flicks because he was so desperately in need of cash and so far in debt, then why did he do gay porn, then straight, then gay/bisexual again, and back to exclusively straight?
Is anyone else curious to know why, for instance, he starred in numerous gay flicks in the early 80s (1984: Wild Weekend; Young and Naughty. 1983: Boyfriend; Cousins; A Matter of Size; The Newcomers. 1982: Euromen), then starred in numerous straight flicks after that (1984: Sex Busters; Stiff Competition; Talk Dirty to Me, Part III; A Taste of Paradise; Too Good to Be True; Touch of Mischief, etc.), only to return to gay flicks (1984: Like a Horse; The Bigger the Better) then back to several DOZEN straight flicks over the next 5 or 6 years, only to return as Matt Ramsey in 1992's "Valley of the Bi Dolls"?
It seems to me that, someone who starts out in gay porn out of desperation, then worked his way out of it, would only return to having sex with guys if he had fallen on hard times. North was doing GREAT between 1985 and 1992, so why the return to gay/bi films? Unless, of course, he LIKES sex with men, eh?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.160.226.95 (talk • contribs) 22:14, June 30, 2007 (UTC)
The information in this article is used as criterion for inclusion in the list at Human penis size#Men famous for their large penis as well as Category:Men with unusually large penis. Now, more than 50 names have been included, and there have been objections raised strong enough that both the list and the category are currently targeted for deletion. Placing this posting uniformly on the talk pages of the articles concerned, I would firstly encourage editors to make sure reliable sourcing is provided to support the claims regarding penis size. Secondly, editors might wish to involve themselves in the discussions taking place at Talk:Human penis size and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. __meco 13:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
EXPERT NEEDED! what kook wrote this article -- IT IS BADLY written! It needs clean up but among other things an 8.5" penis is only slightly larger than average! In fact I think a penis that would be considered "Large" woudl start around 10.5 inches! Certainly there are many articles on Wikipedia of porn stars and other men claiming much larger than a mere 8.5 inches! An expert on the human penis should be able to verify if 8.5 is large -- as a gay man I certainly would not date a guy who was only in the 8 inch range! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.65 (talk) 11:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
This article NEEDS Serious clean-up and the tags that some one keeps removing are essential to its clean-up. An expert is needed for the penis size! 8.5 is not a large size at all! also there are many citations missing and it is written like a fan site and really needs to be improved Robin Redford 17:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey! If "Lifestyles Data" clearly show what theory on penis size than you can easily work in the appropriate citation from an expert in the field and we can start cleaning up this article... If you look at nearly every other article on the "List of Gay Porn Performers" you will see claims of 10, 12, 13 inches... hmmmmmmmm that indeed makes 8 look smaller than average (at least for a porn star!) - this article is pathetic! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.86.123.229 (talk) 18:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Why don't you work this "Lifestyles survey" into this article and reference it? You can also quote the "experts" by name. Any fan of Male porn stars will argue that 8.5" is about medium-sized as far as a porn star goes though. This article is in dire need of an "expert opinion" Roz Lipschitz 01:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh I can attest to the fact that many females might think that 8.5" in length and 6" in girth is large but FAGZ know otherwise. If there is any question, check out the other gay porn star articles and see that they all claim 9-13 inches in length and 6-8 inches in girth. While 8.5 x 6 is not a small penis it is a far cry from a large one. Though a woman might think so. Peter North is listed as a gay porn star on WP. LaniMakani 22:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
86.149.118.138 (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Depending on the day, this article is often so riddled with references and citations, that it's almost difficult to read. What I can't understand is why it keeps getting tagged with *needs additional citations*. If anything, I feel that many of the existing citations are redundant or unnecessary, and could easily be removed altogether.
Unencyclopedic is another term that's commonly tossed around here, and though I agree the article is not really something I'd expect to find in an encyclopedia, trashing it would pretty much mean that all other porn celebrity articles should be trashed as well. Such censorship however, wouldn't really be fair to those who like to learn and be entertained.
I think people should just accept the article for what it is. If it offends you, maybe it's time to move your penis-envy on to a different article, and leave this one alone. 142.68.89.66 19:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
There are no references whatsoever to Peter North's doing any bi or gay work in this article. Yet, North's article is continuously placed on WP's list of Men who Perform in Gay Pornography... Is he straight, bisexual or gay...??? Accrding to the article he is straight and women love him -- honestly, his penis is not big enough to be really big in gay pornography... He really should be catrgorized as a heterosexual performer. Unless, of course, there is a reliable citatioon wher ehe states he is bi-sexual or otherwise... Fuzzyred (talk) 16:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, here's a more reliable source that addresses this issue. It was recently posted at AVN:
CHICAGO - Rick "Humongous" Donovan, known for his 10-inch penis and for famously topping Peter North early in his career, will be the subject of Bijou Theater's monthly Spotlight Series when it continues Jan. 14-16.
...snip...
Films slated for the series are Heroes (NOVA Productions), The Bigger the Better (which includes the infamous scene with North, who used the name Matt Ramsey) and Dynastud (VCA).
A few other sources can be found here. He's also mentioned in this article about gay-for-pay actors and the recent trend of making hetero porn for gay audiences:
(G)ay-for-pay stars (men who take money to act gay but retain industry respect because they can return to their “normal,” straight lives) in the brick-and-mortar porn world have blossomed since the trend began in the early 1980s with directors like Matt Sterling and William Higgins and XXX blockbusters like Cousins, Big Guns, and The Bigger the Better. Featuring hetero studs like Ryan Idol, Rick Donovan, and Matt Ramsey (later “reborn” as straight superstar Peter North), these all-male movies paved the way for oft-ignored straight men to become “stars”—and coined the terms “top” (assertive) and “bottom” (passive) roles in gay sex. Today, of course, gay-for-pay porn stars are commonplace.
Notice how this article identifies him as a heterosexual. And I'm 100% sure he identified himself as heterosexual when confronted about the gay porn videos. The mere fact that he appeared in gay porn shouldn't be used as an indicator of his offscreen lifestyle.Reelm (talk) 04:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
He's definately bi-sexual, wether he indulges in his private life is another matter. Consider this I'm 110% straight but for enough money (and I mean a shed load of money) I would bend over and take it like a champ. However, without Viagra I certainly couldn't get it up to do another man, for the simple reason I don't find other men sexually attractive in any shape or form. Peter North pre- Viagra was able to, so that makes him bi-sexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.116.201 (talk) 03:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Peter North is bisexual, so why is he not in this category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.238.51 (talk) 20:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Again as stated before earlier on discussions, vandalism is not tolerated. It appears there is a user with the IP of 66.152.79.250 vandalizing a number of pages on here, including this one with previous edits to webcam sites. There is no reason that we should have two links to the same site especially when it is already stated in the main information box. We also do not need other links that are non-relevant to the subject topic. 66.152.79.250, please be aware that editors who persist in such misbehavior are quickly banned from Wikipedia. Thanks. JordanGekko (talk) 11:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
An unsigned editor undid my edit from October 10, when I removed the following text from the opening paragraph:
Like many pornographic stage names, North's name is a pun: "Peter" is a common slang term for a penis,[5][6][7][8] so "Peter North" most likely refers to an erection.[8] It could also refer to the fact that he's a Canadian (Northern) porn star. According to pornography scholar Stephen Strager, North's stage name, like that of many other male pornographic actors, "expresses the controlling man-as-penis metaphor while precisely articulating the masturbator’s big-dick fantasies."[9] The name "North" may also refer to his Canadian or northern roots.[10]
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, and in my opinion people looking for basic information about Peter North would no be interested in theories about possible origins of his name. I removed the text again and I opening the discussion about its possible inclusion. I am specially interested in the opinion of the unsigned editor that undid my edit without a comment. UltraEdit (talk) 17:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Good point. I added a summarized version of the previous text - see what you think. UltraEdit (talk) 15:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Also, I removed the information about the circumcision but kept the text about his penis' length. UltraEdit (talk) 15:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
This is just my opinion. I think the name "Peter North" is pretty obviously a clever but subtle joke on "penis upwards", meaning an erection, as suggested by many others. "Peter" is a fairly well-known nickname for penis (among many other nicknames) and north is the upwards direction on a map. Many male porn actors choose a stage name like "Dick Long", which could be a real name but obviously refers to their trade; this case is more clever, because it's not so crude and obvious. It sounds innocuous, but when you think about it, it "clicks", almost like the punchline of a joke. When I read the wiki page I was surprised to see that the origin of his stage name is "unclear" and that this explanation, which seems obvious to me, wasn't even suggested as a possibility or speculation; I think it should be. KrisBlueNZ 09:16, 07 March 2012 (UTC)
How can he be in the category of "ex-patriot canadian actors"? Yes, I know we call them "porn actors", but that's no more than a euphemism. They are performers, at best "performance artists", but by any serious definition of acting, they aren't actors. BashBrannigan (talk) 07:28, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I deleted this entire section because A) it is making claims that North was making threats and B) it is entirely sourced to Gallo, thus making this poorly sourced. We would need other third party soures to include this text.Which Hazel? (talk) 07:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I have now added more sources and triangulated the info better.Holanthony (talk) 15:33, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I've added back this section that was deleted by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz on May 5, 2018. I haven't checked Mr. North's Wiki in quite some time and was shocked to find it quite sanitized today. This story has been featured in a few TV programmes and Mr. Gallo's book. Do not delete. Anonymous - January 25, 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.153.237 (talk) 04:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
We were having a discussion about North's legendary ejaculate and wondered what Wikipedia had to say on the matter. I'm somewhat surprised this isn't in the article. Has this been discussed before? I assume the sources must be out there, but I wouldn't know where to start looking.Which Hazel? (talk) 07:55, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
North's family is Catholic and unaware of his profession.[citation needed] LOL Erase this, because there will never be a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:46:1A05:21D3:B14B:C43C:9B:6D69 (talk) 15:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Peter North has measured his dong with a tape (it can be found online). His dong is about 7.25 inches during his prime. Should this be added? Dnxxl (talk) 00:29, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hallo, the sources do not prove any notability. the only the sources that can be used as a kind of cover of the subject are an AVN article and the article of his arrest. It seems that being arrested is a free pass for porn actor to be on wikipedia. infact, because of the arrest some articles will appear anyhow in this case we have only one short article. I will do some more research myself to find more sources (reliable once and not passing mentions). if any of you finds a source please let me know because if I can't find much I will nominate this article for deletion. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Article lists "town planner" as one of his occupations, but there is no mention of this in the article beyond the intro. Legit or nonsense edit? 70.73.90.119 (talk) 22:29, 3 May 2021 (UTC)