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The article currently states "the city had neglected many of the neighborhoods, leading to decreased police response times". If you are neglecting a neighborhood, the time it takes to respond should go up, not down. I assume this should read "leading to longer police response times" instead, but I did not want to change it without someone else looking at it, as I do not have the data to support it either way. 71.15.80.214 (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, where is North Omaha, Nebraska? Why is there a separate article? There is not now, nor has there ever been, a place named North Omaha, Nebraska. (In contrast, there actually WAS a town called South Omaha, Nebraska, but it has since been annexed.) This article would lead me to believe there is a separate suburb by this name, when that is not the case. - Unsigned comment
This is really a moot conversation at this point. Neighborhoods in Omaha, Nebraska really answers the question I think the anon user above was posing. • Freechild'sup? 13:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous IP has been editing this article lately, and has deleted the zip code 68104 from the demographics table. This radically alters the demographic makeup of the area, which the editor accommodated for by recalculating the statistics.
The dilemma is that although 68104, which is primarily Benson, does not actively associate itself with N.O., it is actively associated with the area via the local media. Other communities in North Omaha distinguish themselves this way include Dundee, Florence, East Omaha, the Gold Coast area (Cathedral neighborhood), Creighton University, and the Raven Oaks area.
History shows that the historical identification of North Omaha revolves around its racial composition, and I think that's where the anonymous editor was coming from. However, the media actively portrays North Omaha as anything east of 72nd, and north of Dodge. That's a lot of territory with a lot of white folks. I'm beginning to wonder if there needs to be a separate article to emphasize the African American history of Omaha.
Here's what's up for consideration. Make any additions or deletions:
- Freechild 21:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
To me the true North Omaha is just in fact North East Omaha. It goes from 16th St in the east to 30th St in the west, and starts at around Cuming St in the south and extends as far north as Redick Ave. Dolph72 07:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
User:F0jqpu79d has been editing Neighborhoods of Omaha, Nebraska to reflect the boundary of North Omaha as Read Street rather than Ponca Road. For the sake of conversation, I would like to challenge the assertion that the boundary of North Omaha is that far south. I am a proponent of seeing north Omaha as a geographic area of Omaha, similar to some ongoing popular conversation. I believe the neighborhood that where the boundary is being confused with is the one between the Minne Lusa and Florence, which was historically Vane Street. It would be great to read other editors' thoughts. • Freechild'sup? 13:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Is the length of this article an issue? - Freechild 04:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
As a previous student at North Omaha High School, and avid watcher of crime in the Metro area(because my parents watch the 10:00 news every night in the computer room) I would say that the section on Racism is inaccurate and biased. North Omaha IS a violent area and most of the murders happen in the area north of 42nd and Ames. I have a friend who lived at 28th and Hamilton and he not only was held at gunpoint and robbed with his girlfriend outside his house, but bullets had hit his home more than twice. This area qualifies as North Omaha because it is much farther east than say 200th street and 30th and Ames is pretty much the last area of commerce north east before you reach the river at say 0th street. I believe that the media focuses on this area because it is in dire need of attention and to warn people from straying into this area of town unaware of its risks. After the time when the North Omaha freeway was introduced, much of the white population left this area of town and businesses started to flounder. The picture at the top of this wiki is the corner of a street where they wanted businesses but there is virtually no businesses there in this city built commerce area. The inaccuracy of this page is visible when they put a DJ's quote about crime under the Racism section. This seems at least mis-categorized and petty to me. I will however admit that the Area of Florence, Omaha has the brightest future of North Omaha. This area has several safer grocery stores and long-standing businesses. The farthest northeast area of Omaha runs into the hills near Hummel Park by the Missouri River. The residential houses may be safe, however Hummel Park is notorious for being a place of murder, crime, and body stashing. Though these opinions in my paragraph may not be the most succinct, I believe that they are important issues to consider when writing an accurate representation of this area, without positive bias. HOWEVER, I believe that maintain accuracy in the long run will lead to a better understanding of this area obviously, and perhaps people with money will give more money to help interested entrepreneurs build and clearing abandoned or condemned buildings. Donations from people concerned about poverty may stem from reading accurate information. - Izardstreet 8:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Great additions/edits Freechild & Americasroof! This site is really beginning to take on a solid form. Equinox137, I appreciate your insights as well and look forward to your additions. Even though we may have differing views on some aspects of this article, I respect your input. Moreover, I do recognize that this article does not belong to a single person and therefore, subsequent corrections and additions are to be/should be expected.
I believe that we - the collective of authors who choose to contribute to a given article -- by virtue of our unique perspectives, provide a check and balance system. This ensures that accuracy is maintained and the point of view is indeed objective. With that said, I know that we can find common ground. Last, Equinox137 I hope you had a great Christmas and New Year's - and got some rest ;). Take care, all. Prometheusfire 22:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel the information in the zipcode breakdown of races is somewhat misleading because it creates the impression that the majority population of north Omaha as black/african american, especially since zipcode 68104 is not included in the table. 68104 encompases an extremely large area of north omaha, according to this article's definition of where north Omaha is located. Additionally, the hispanic population as tabulated by the US Census Bureau doesn't count hispanic/latino as a race, but as a nationality, so I'm almost sure the totals are wrong as they include the hispanic/latino numbers in the grand total. After just making a cursory glance at the numbers from the 2000 census from the census.gov website the percentages of whites vs blacks is closer to 48% and 45% respectively.--Blacknebraska 15:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Are we going to discuss this article or let it stay in NPOV hell forever? Equinox137 06:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Equinox137, Sorry for not responding for so long. Again, thank you for making an effort to work together. Regarding the use of the word progressive -- I think that I fleshed it out pretty well below. Also, as I explained on your talk page, I understand that some people may have a particular conception of the word "progressive", but I think those people need to widen their scope to get beyond just the political reference. Again, the term "Urban America" is an emerging description of the culture formally just associated with the "African-Americans. This descriptor depicts the essential "flavor" of the African-American experience, without limiting it to the bounds of race. Moreover, this term has been used for quite sometime -- and by individuals and institutions outside of the African-American community. Regarding politics/Ernie Chambers etc. - sounds interesting -- what did you have in mind? Prometheusfire 13:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
With the recent additions of citations to this article I would like to remove the NPOV tag. Freechild 18:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
1. Moving forward; advancing. 2. Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change. 3. Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods:a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.
Despite the fact that there are some unfortunate happenings in North Omaha, there has been an increased and concerted effort to revitalize and advance the conditions of North Omaha. These efforts are coming from both inside the community and from those external to North Omaha. The focus has varied in scope -- from improving the aesthetics, to the promoting the culture; from generating new business to fostering great social responsiveness. All of the measures taken in North Omaha have been measured, incremental and forward moving. In a word...progressive. As such, it behooves the contributors to the North Omaha article not to be one-dimensional in their approach by just focusing things like "crime rate" or "race".
Prometheusfire 03:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
In your last revision, you stated that "We had a compromise that we would leave the editing alone until we have discussed this...Badgadani (sp), can you also comply with that as well? Thanks in advance." Badgadani was getting to the same point that I was, that "progressive" used in that context usually means "liberal" or "leftist." Now we can probably agree that North Omaha is one of the more liberal communities in the Omaha metro. Why not add a section about politics, Ernie Chambers, etc? Equinox137 15:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The biography of Tillie Olsen notes she came from a Russian Jewish and Socialist family in North Omaha - that's what was called a Progressive background in the early 20th century. When I saw references in this article to North Omaha as Progressive, I associated it with the early 20th c. labor movements strongly influenced by such Russian Jewish families, of which there were many in North Omaha then. Olsen was a labor organizer in packinghouses before the Depression (I think) - if she was, there were probably others, and maybe some of them also came from North Omaha. There must have been more of that kind of labor history in Omaha before the disappearance of jobs in the mid to late 20th century.--Parkwells (talk) 23:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)--Parkwells (talk) 12:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Who says North Omaha is "one of Omaha's most progressive communities"? ...and what does "the urban center" even mean? I'd love to see a reliable source cited on this one! I know something about North Omaha, and Omaha's current revitalization, and I must say, these claims are news to me! :-) I would definitely agree that the Northside has a rich and diverse culture. But as far as progress, there's a lot more to North Omaha than the area around Creighton. It'll take a lot more than decentralized public housing and a new computer lab for the Washington library to make it one of Omaha's "most progressive" communities-- if such a thing even could really be measured objectively.
By the way, I would not consider North Omaha to be a "neighborhood," but rather a suburb. In fact, North Omaha comprises a number of neighborhoods, or subdivisions.
Also, I-680, runs along the Northern edge of North Omaha, not I-480.
One more thing. Why do we say that it boasts a rich and diverse culture "though" it's predominately African American? I see no absolutely incompatibility between these two facts! Personally, I rather wouldn't pay homage to racial segregation by citing the fact. Nonetheless, it is a fact, and that's what Wikipedia is for. --Jack 06:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Follow up comment: I guess that my use of suburb does not conform to the popular definition. However, the sense conveyed by the word neighborhood suggests something much closer to the subdivision level. This is inadequate, because, as stated earlier, North Omaha comprises a number of neighborhoods and subdivisions. Precinct seems to fit well, but carries a connotation of official recognition. Districts, on the other hand, are often unofficial. While again semewhat ambiguous, district seems most appropriate here. --Jack 06:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
--Izardstreet 09:02, 01 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Izardstreet (talk • contribs)
For all of you anons accusing me of vandalism, you need to look up Wikipedia's policy on vandalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism) and you will find I am committing no such thing. I have provided all the sources consisent with policy. Furthermore, if you actually read through Wikipedia's original research policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research), NPOV policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view), verifibility policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability) and weasel word policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words), you will discover you are violating all four of those policies.
Anyone from Omaha will laugh their asses off when they read what you want to keep there. Omaha is de facto segregated via Dodge Street and has been for over 90 years, so claiming North Omaha has a "diverse" culture is wrong - (accuracy & verifibility policy). An "urban center" is a central city in a nation, for example, Yaounder is an urban center of the nation of Cameroon. The term does not apply within cities themselves (accuracy policy). And "progressive community"? That is purely POV that would be debated by anyone living in Omaha, included a lot of residents of North Omaha - (NPOV & weasel word policy). Have I spelled it out clear enough?Equinox137 02:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article is probably the best referenced article of any on Omaha. I punched up the lead to get to the notable stuff about the neighborhood and try to avoid the citation requests. You can revert back if you wish. It is definitely a neighborhood. It is not a community. It is within the legal city limits of Omaha. The community sent me scurrying to check all this out as I thought it was independent from reading how it originally. I am writing from NYC. There are neighborhoods here (e.g., Harlem, et al) that have individual streets with individual characters. The little subdivision are merely components of the neighborhood. Again, thanks for the effort to really improve the article. It's even more interesting than when I first saw it! Americasroof 04:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
New topic at the East Omaha talk page: Is East Omaha part of North Omaha? It extended from a discussion about the recent firebombing in that neighborhood. - Freechild 14:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
What in particular would you like to have photographs of? I live in the area and could try to any type of photos requested. Dolph72 20:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for putting this out there - that's generous. - Freechild 20:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Where and how should I upload the pictures I have? I have a few buildings as well as several info plaques from the State of Nebraska Dolph72 21:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I have begun the upload process...see if there is anything you may want to use Dolph72 21:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I kinda was hoping you knew...I uploaded them into Wikipedia Commons but they arent linked to anything. And when I click on ANYTHING on the Commons site its giving me a MySQL error. The easiest way to look at them in the short term is to start with this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:P3160005.JPG and change the last numbers. Hopefully I can organize them into at least the main Omaha page soon. Dolph72 22:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The section is confusing because in the narrative below, it includes only the numbers for African Americans, and says they are the largest minority in Omaha. It would be useful to have the numbers for Latinos there, too, and population for Omaha overall, especially as other related articles make much of the proposal for separate school districts.--Parkwells (talk) 22:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
"diverse racial and socio-economic composition". This seems like a false statement considering a majority of blacks live in the North Omaha, area. --Jameson (talk) 13:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The composition of North Omaha's population and comparison to overall Omaha, should be noted earlier in the article, as you suggest the media is racist in its descriptions. Simply describe the inaccuracy between TV account of 71% and the reality of 59% African American, for instance. Also, you need to separate perceptions from fact - if there is older housing there and longer to walk to stores, that's reality. If crime is higher there than in other neighborhoods, that is also reality, even if most residents are never involved in crime. High crime is what causes many people to label a neighborhood as "bad" or "iffy".
You mention Ernie Chambers' proposal for three school systems, but not why he proposed it. What did he think it would accomplish? It sounds unusual for someone of his background because of concerns about de facto segregation (here is where the actual proportions of population in North Omaha and other two areas should be shown, too). Did he think the school systems would get better funding from the state individually? More attention/resources? Why did the state legislature support it? Why are other groups opposing the proposal? Issues of schools are too important just to sit there without further explanation.--Parkwells (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
You note the party affiliations of national representatives to Congress and the governor, but not for those in other state offices.--Parkwells (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The Geology section describes geography, not geology, although some discussion of water features is present. That would actually fall under hydrology or hydrogeology if any facts were presented. I'd lean toward Geography for this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.63.125.246 (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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