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I deleted a long newspaper article that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. See the article history for its conents. Also, when were Jim and Tammy Faye divorced? RickK 20:46, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Anyone have any actual biographical info that is not about the scandals? DJ Clayworth 15:16, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Frank Zappa - Jesus Thinks Your A Jerk This song may be worth mentioning in the same way it worth adding the Metallic reference. This song is almost exclusively about Jim, Tammy and Pat [1] This song is mentioned in the Tammy Faye Bakker article.
I really want more biographical info. I remember that sometime in 1999-2000 Rolling Stone magazine did an article on Jim Bakker's son, who has since covered himself in tattoos and started an urban ministry / skateboard enthusiast club. Can someone say more? 128.208.95.118 21:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I changed Jim Bakker's year of birth from 1939 to 1940. He mentioned on a telecast on his program, the Jim Bakker Show, on April 22, 2008, he was born in 1940. I am going to take his word for it.--Susan Nunes 13 May 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.60.24 (talk) 05:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Miracle Man" is not about Bakker. It's actually about Jimmy Swaggart; ("Now Jimmy he got busted / With his pants Down"). In a live recording of the song tacked onto a later CD version of "No Rest for the Wicked" Ozzy introduces the song as "about a friend of mine named Jimmy Swaggart".
It seemed more encylopedic that way. I also removed the "trivia warning" as a result. RSLancastr 21:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The book cover is a valid fair use of the image as long as the book is discussed in the text. If it wasn't the fair use rules would not apply. Anynobody 08:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I watched The Eyes of Tammy Faye, and in it Tammy Faye says that there were actually two shows at the beginning: a children's show with puppets in the morning, and the 700 club talk/variety show at night. Nospamtodd 13:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
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silsor 01:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This needs much more sourcing. (The whole article) Particularly because he's alive and controversial. Basejumper2 04:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
From 1984 to 1987, Bakker and his PTL associates sold $1,000 "lifetime memberships", which entitled buyers to a three-night stay annually at a luxury hotel at Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker's later fraud trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, but only one 500-room hotel was ever completed. Bakker sold more "exclusive partnerships" than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel.
Note the repeated use of the word "sold" for what was understood to be gifts and the two separate terms (enclosed in quotes) to describe the same gifts and not one bit of substantiation for any of these indictments.
Where is any mention of the legal reasons why Jim was let of prison decades before his 45 year prison sentence was served? Where is the mention of HIS CONVICTION BEING OVERTURNED? Where is the mention of false charges? This kind of yellow journalism is why Wikipedia always has to beg for money! People with character see the unsubstantiated LIES that Wikipedia editors allow because they have the same biases AND DON'T CARE WHEN THOSE THEY DESPISE ARE LIBELED!76.6.66.199 (talk) 00:16, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.
Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 21:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Agree. I previously did a major edit on this article on October 28, deleting all of the unsourced text, as noted above ("Trivia renamed..." section) and on Article History, but it keeps coming back. JGHowes talk - 01:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone got sourced information on his trial, conviction, and prison sentence? I know he served time with at least two other people who have Wikipedia articles. Rklawton (talk) 16:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I have added some descriptives to the atmosphere of HeritageUSA under the Bakkers. These were from my own observation, and can be referenced to Richard Ostling's articles at the time in TIME magazine. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
As the only material in John Ankerberg that is not based upon WP:SPS is the John Ankerberg#Exposing Jim Bakker section (which is based on a NYT article that is primarily on the topic of Baker, not Ankerberg), I am proposing that this section be merged here, and that John Ankerberg be redirected to this article, per WP:BLP1E. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I oppose the merger not only because he is a theologian in his own right (I read somewhere that he moderated the debates between Bob Harrington ("The Chaplain of Bourbon Street") and atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair in the late-1970s), but redirecting him to Jim Bakker would confuse some, thinking that Ankerberg is Bakker. -- azumanga (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I oppose the merger since John Ankerberg is a notable theologian in his own right. -L.Smithfield (talk) 13:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I see that this article and Lori Bakker have merger-tags on them, but that nobody has set up a thread for discussion of the proposal on talk. So here one is.
The sentence that refers to Bakkers' owing the IRS $6 mil combines 2 unrelated subjects. It is drastically paraphrased from the reference.ExpatSalopian (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Most of the section "prophecies and statements" seems poorly-paraphrased and written from a clear anti-Bakker bias. For example, the Huffington Post article never actually includes the quote "God will punish you" -- that's the headline by a piece that makes no attempt to be objective. I suggest the entire section be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprague (talk • contribs) 04:45, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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I'm requesting a recent picture for Jim Bakker's profile picture with the appropriate license to improve the article. 2001:5B0:4BD3:43F8:AC57:8D6B:AA45:88DD (talk) 19:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
This part is confusingly written. It's hard to read:
It's better to write in active voice, such as:
Also, why is him divorcing and re-marrying in the lead? It's obviously not an important part of his career, and it certainly shouldn't be up there with imprisonment for fraud and allegations of rape. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
I removed a passage that included the gibberish
"...all have been of N.Y. since the 1970's; Jim Bakker indelibly imprinted upon women."
Someone has reverted this edit. Please either convert it into a meaningful addition to the article or revert the reversion. Chenopodiaceous (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
No, I see that it's gone. I've just started getting acquainted with edit histories and am apparently not reading them properly! Chenopodiaceous (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Article needs updating. This recidivist criminal is still scamming his viewers. 24.1.67.182 (talk) 22:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
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