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Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Philroc (talk) 14:22, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Long live the Prophet of Doom! Kncny11(shoot) 05:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this article is currently being considered for deletion. MeegsC (talk) 09:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
By someone whose explicit, stated goal was "I don't want this to be a DYK", natch. Vaticidalprophet 13:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wait just a cotton pickin minute
This page just popped up on the WikiProject Paranormal alert - never heard of the guy before and you would think if he has made all these amazing predictions the world would know of this guy. So red flags for me. Looking at the sources and what do we have ... Linkedin, Independent article full of celebrity predictions (none verified), Esquire (same as the Independent), Leicestershire Live, HuffPo, Dan Viet. (these are all within a couple days of each other and read like a press release) Then we have The Australian, The Silver Times, The Spectator and The Guardian. And Psychic News? Seriously? The Atlantic is probably the only RS and they include a short paragraph for Hamilton-Parker in a long list of other predictions for the end of the world. Sorry not buying it - this person does not pass the notability threshold, not even on the fence. This is going to have to be AfD and I'll do it if no one beats me to it. So NO on the DYK. Sgerbic (talk) 21:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I began the deletion process. RobP (talk) 22:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The Australian and the Guardian are both quite confidently RS. I strongly doubt the HuffPo piece is a press release, considering it's tearing him apart. The Independent and Esquire are both falling for him, which, you know, is what it is, but are high-profile enough that if they're falling for him it's worth noting. Vaticidalprophet 22:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Understanding of citation policy
@Rp2006, I have no issue with your prose edits, but your reference edits are betraying a lack of understanding of WP:V and acceptable references.
The "new Nostradamus" attributed quote is entirely appropriate under WP:NONENG; it's attributing that "the people who believe this guy is a psychic call him by this name". This is a representative solid example of "the people who believe this guy is a psychic".
More concerningly, you've removed a source for being behind a paywall, which is completely inappropriate and in total violation of WP:V. WP:PAYWALL makes it 100% clear that a source being paywalled is completely acceptable. In this case, you've removed a ref from Australia's paper of record, which is entirely acceptable. Also, I suspect you may have misread what it was addressing, considering that it was debunking his claims to being a psychic. Vaticidalprophet 03:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This statement at WP:V: "...means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source" is clear. It is not possible under these circumstances to verify the claims. I understand the last resort approach is to allow such material. But here, surely there are refs you can find that are in English AND accessible. RobP (talk) 03:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That statement is not, and is very intentionally, by at this point twenty years of consensus not "they can be verified in an instant by a monolingual English speaker paying $0 for results accessible on Google". This is me following best practice, not last-resort practice. In fact, the FUTON bias tends to make articles worse, not better -- non-paywalled news sources in particular are not infrequently lower quality. Vaticidalprophet 03:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rp2006: This is not what WP:V and WP:RS say, it is not what they mean, and it is not how they've ever been interpreted before. If you'd like to change the policy to deprecate all non-English content, that seems like a conversation better-suited to the talk page for WP:RS or the village pump. jp×g 03:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the argument concerning FUTON bias refers to scholarly journals and NOT news articles concerning a "psychic" like we have in this article. RobP (talk) 03:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would you prefer the article be balanced in favour of the FUTON sources that think he's a psychic rather than the paywalled ones that point out he changes his predictions retroactively? Vaticidalprophet 03:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hard to answer that (I say facetious) - as I cannot actually verify what is in the paywalled references. RobP (talk) 03:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, though, this is simply not what the policy is. The fact that a reader cannot verify all information from a Web browser for free is not required for a source's inclusion. Such a policy would fundamentally break the encyclopedia: ((cite book)), for example, is used on more than a million pages. (And there are plenty of ways to view paywalled content (instutitional subscriptions, browser extensions, archive websites, Google cache, libgen, sci-hub, etc); have you tried these?) jp×g 03:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And like I said, I understand the reason for the policy... cases where there isn't a choice. This isn't that. I have written something like 20 articles, 2 GAs... and have never had to rely on such refs. Not once. Just because something CAN be done does not mean it SHOULD be in a specific case. Someone is being stubborn here. But so be it. RobP (talk) 04:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]