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The opening paragraph should state the span of time for this empire. Even reading the article, I'm not sure whether the historiographic term starts with Charles Martel or Charlemagne, and whether it ends with the death of Charles the Fat in 888, or with the division of the empire in 911, or with the end of rule of the Carolingian Dynasty 987 altogether (see Carolingian Dynasty).--Atkinson (talk) 08:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Lothar retired Italy to his eldest son Louis II in 844". Re-check your source and work with a good teacher who knows English well to get this right. 108.18.136.147 (talk) 18:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK, the start date of the empire is Charlemagne being crowned emperor of the Holy Roman Empire on Christmas day 800 AD. I would like to invite KingQueenJack to explain which sources he uses to set the start date at the crowning of Pepin the Short, since no source is mentioned in his edits. Kleuske (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose one could argue that the Carolingian state became an empire in the generic sense ("British Empire", "American empire") through the incorporation of Alamannia, Bavaria, Italy, Saxony, etc. before 800—regardless of the assumption of the title of emperor. However, there is certainly nothing special in that regard about Pippin's coronation. He was crowned king over the same realm that the Merovingians had ruled. In practice, I think the term "Carolingian Empire" mainly refers to the consciously imperial state that existed from 800 to 887/8 under the Carolingian dynasty and which is generally regarded as the first phase of the Holy Roman Empire. Srnec (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
etc. Knock yourself out. Kleuske (talk) 12:00, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the sources on Charles Martel. I also added some stuff to the section on the reign of Charlemagne. ATASU (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Carolingian Empire have never existed, only Frankish kingdom[edit]
Carolingian Empire is just creation of the posterior, it was only invented by historians. The real offcial name was Frankish Kingdom. After Charlemagne became Roman Emperor, the title of king of the Franks remained. So there were no such title or country as Carolingian Empire, or Carolingian Emperor.--Royal Free Citiy (talk) 19:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]