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Reviewer: Spintendo (talk · contribs) 23:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I hope you're doing well. I'm Spintendo, and I'll be conducting this review. The Discussion section below is where we'll have most of our interactions. (I'm using the ((Fake heading))
template to preserve the integrity of the review and to minimize disruption to the transcluded table of contents which appears on the article's talk page.) I've divided the discussion section into subsections based on the headers from the article. Please feel free to place "done" or "fixed" -type comments, objections, or counter-proposals in each section for the issues I'll be bringing up there. Without further ado, let's begin! Spintendo 23:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
His collective of creatorsThis should be described as "his business partners" because (a) it is a collective that he is a part of, and not his own collective (i.e., describing it as "his collective") and (b) the term "collective of creators" does not specify that these were content creators (i.e., what did he create?) and (c) the phrase sounds promotional by using industry jargon rather than long established phrases (e.g., just calling them "business partners"). Spintendo 23:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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to both Kai Cenat and Union Square.Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
When Cenat, who was born in December 2001, became a teenager, the social internet was dominated by fleeting video clips on the platform Vine, which sprouted a generation of mini-celebrities who could express themselves in the six seconds available. When Cenat was attending high school at Frederick Douglass Academy in Harlem, a YouTuber named Jake Paul began to attract attention, staging media-baiting pranks that made him the bane of his West Hollywood neighborhood. And by the time Cenat was in college at the State University of New York at Morrisville, a charismatic gamer who went by the name Ninja had become a superstar on Twitch, with tens of thousands tuning in to watch him play the video game Fortnite. By then, Cenat had begun to travel to Atlanta to work with a collective of fellow entertainers that called itself A.M.P., for Any Means Possible.[1]
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
— Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 02:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Union Square, the location of the riot, was named after the intersection of Broadway and the city's 19th-century street grid. It is located at the intersections of the 4, 5, 6, L, N, Q, R, and W subway lines, which provided the ease of the transportion of large amounts of people to the square. Cenat attended Frederick Douglass Academy and the State University of New York at Morrisville. Around the time of him attending university, he traveled to Atlanta, Georgia to work with a group of Internet personalities called Any Means Possible (AMP). This is not Cenat's first giveaway, as he surprised a Massachusetts woman he used to visit with $20,000, saying she was a second mother to him, and that she deserved it. The woman, Cathy Parker, was unwilling to accept the money.
In a live stream on August 2, he claimed that he would give away gift cards, headphones, gaming chairs, computers, webcams, keyboards, and microphones to attendees who could correctly answer questions about YouTube and live streaming.
The source for the ease of transport is here.[2] There is also Cenat himself: "Mr. Cenat, who is from the Bronx, told his Twitch followers on Wednesday that he would be in Union Square on Friday. He asked how many fans would show up. A flurry of answers came in: 1,000, 5,000, 10,000. A friend sitting next to him said so many would come that Mr. Cenat would need security and barricades. “All trains go here so there’s no excuse,” Mr. Cenat told those watching."
[3] Spintendo 20:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
The following year, he gained popularity after a series of livestreams featuring artists such as Drake, 21 Savage, Toosii and Lil Baby.This should be reworded to "The following year he gained popularity after producing a series of livestreams with Drake, 21 Savage, Toosii and Lil Baby".
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
In February 2023, during a subathon—an event in which a livestreamer continuously streams in an attempt to gain paid subscribers, Cenat joined United Talent Agency.It's unclear, did Cenat join the talent agency during the livestream? if so, it should be reworded to state that clearly, such as "in February 2023, Cenat filmed his joining of the United Talent Agency during a livestreamed subathon." We can also delete the definition of subathon, since we'll have the Wiktionary page Wikilinked as shown in my example.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
In the days preceding the gathering, Cenat announced that he would give away PlayStation 5 consoles at 4 p.m. in Union Square along 14th Street,[4] joined by Fanum, Duke Dennis and Agent00, three Twitch streamers.should be "In the days preceding the gathering, Cenat announced that he would give away PlayStation 5 consoles at 4 p.m. in Union Square along 14th Street, where he would be joined by Fanum, Duke Dennis and Agent00, three Twitch streamers.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
In a live stream on August 2, he claimed that he would give away gift cards...This should state "In a livestream on August 2, Cenat claimed...."
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Cenat did not have a permit for the gathering. On the day of the giveaway, he posted on Twitter that he would be live streaming the event at 3:30 p.m.should be "Despite not having secured a permit for a gathering at Union Square, Cenat posted on Twitter that he would be live streaming the event at 3:30 p.m."
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
By 1:30 p.m. the area was filled with fans. The New York City Police Department (NYPD) became aware of the gathering at the same time, as dozens of people began converging. By 3 p.m., a large crowd had gathered in Union SquareThe timeline is unclear here. It says that the area was filled with fans at 1:30, but then again at 3pm it states a large croud had gathered. But didn't the crowd get there at 1:30, when it was "filled with fans?" I would think an area "filled with fans" could be considered "a crowd", although I understand that at 1:30 it was only fans while by 3:30 it was more of a mixture of fans and not fans (see next entry)
partially drawn to the event by further word of the giveaway outside Cenat's fans."many of whom were drawn to the event by word of mouth from sources outside of Cenat's fans" or something to that effect.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
By 3:30 p.m., the NYPD had mobilized dozens of officers to the area and established a perimeter; the group took down barriers and conflict broke out between police and members of the crowd.which group took down barriers?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Members of the crowd climbed up a gazebo, street signs, vehicles including a bus, and a George Washington statueI don't think it's possible to "climb up" a bus or vehicle. Street signs and statues you can climb up, but vehicles including buses are climbed upon.
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Social media posts of the riot surfaced around the same time.what time would that be?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
According to the NYPD, individuals walked around with shovels and axes from a nearby construction site and lit off fireworks" According to the NYPD, individuals walked around with shovels and axes taken from a nearby construction site, while others lit fireworks."
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
The NYPD called on an estimated one thousand officers to respond as part of a level four mobilizationat what time did this occur?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
At least two thousand people came to the event, though police estimate that three to five thousand people were present.who's estimate is the two thousand number?
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
The NYPD does not use tear gas.But the source given for this claim confirms that they do use pepper spray. It's unlikely that Cenat, if he made this claim, really knows what the difference between tear gas and pepper spray is. He may have seen one used while assuming it was the other. In any event, the claim that NYPD does not use tear gas should be accompanied with the statement that they do use pepper spray. Spintendo 20:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Cenat was either taken into police custody or let go on his accord and charged with inciting a riot and unlawful assembly.I'm not sure this timeline works, but if it's what media has reported, then were stuck with it. It should at least state he was released "on his own accord after being charged with..." if the charges came that day, if they were the next day it should say"Cenat was initially allowed to leave the area on his own accord but was charged ____" with it stating whenever the time and day he was charged. Spintendo 06:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
At approximately 5:00 p.m., Cenat was taken into police custody and charged with inciting a riot and unlawful assemblyThis contradicts NYTimes reporting, which stated Kai left the scene of his own volition (or was at least given a friendly escort):
"Rather than arrest Mr. Cenat immediately, for example, the police could have used him to address the crowd, he said. “The minute that the N.Y.P.D. moved Kai Cenat from the scene, they lost their chance to leverage him,” Mr. Raymond said."Spintendo 04:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wednesday, August 2nd, Kai Cenat's Instagram story announces a giveaway to start at Union Square Park on Friday, August 4 at 4 p.m.
- Friday, August 4th 12:00 p.m. Cenat repeats messages on instagram and twitch.
- 1:30 p.m., NYPD starts to became aware of a large crowd (around 300 or so) of teens assembling in Union Square
- By 3 p.m., that number has grown exponentially, as the giveaway goes viral and thousands began arriving in Union Square. The park was soon filled with people obstructing traffic
- Around 3:30, the crowd begins taking down barriers and throwing objects at police. People also jumped on cars as unrest grew.
- At 3:48 p.m. the New York Police Department says on X,"Due to police activity, avoid the area surrounding Union Square Park & use alternate routes. Expect a police presence in the area and residual traffic delays."
- 3:50 p.m., a large police bus moves into position at the square, which will later begin filling up with arrests.
- 4:00 p.m., Cenat arrives. During a short stream inside his vehicle, Cenat flashes a fistful of what he says are $100 gift cards stored in a brown CVS paper bag to give away. When he notices the chaos, his descriptions immediately take an ominous tone: "They're throwing tear gas out there, we're not going to do nothing until it's safe . . . everybody for themselves, because it's a war out there man."
- Seconds later, Cenat's vehicle comes to a stop and he exits, but is immediately swarmed by fans. The stream cuts out shortly after Cenat's bodyguards begin pushing people away from him. Law enforcement eventually remove Cenat from the park for safety reasons. He is not officially placed "in custody" at that time, and is free to leave.
- With Cenat now gone (along with, presumably, all the gift cards as well as any hoped for PS5's) the crowd's frustration peaks from roughly 4:15 - 4:55 p.m., and the riot is in full swing, encompassing food vendor carts being upset and bottles thrown. The misuse of the aforementioned construction equipment occurs during the next 40 minutes. Arrested individuals are placed on the bus while the bus itself becomes the target of projectiles.
- By 5 p.m., police, some on horseback, have finally organized enough that they begin making coordinated inroads into segregating and dispersing the crowd. This largely takes place over the course of the next hour.
- As it grows closer to 6 p.m., police have pushed much of the crowd well out of the park.[4][5][6]
At a press conference, Maddrey stated, "When I go back later on this evening, I will have an after-action determine [sic] exactly what our steps were. We can't allow this to happen again in the future".If these are the mayor's actual words, then we need a
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template.Done Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 23:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Cenat said, "I don't condone any of the things that went on that day. None of that is cool." He reiterated that he is "beyond disappointed in anybody who became destructive that day. Anything we do like this has to be safe and fun. We can't just be running around and destroying this and destroying that. I want y'all to know that none of that is how I wanted any of this to go. I'm trying to get through this and stuff like that (the charges) and handle it the correct way. If I ever wanna do something like this in the future, I gotta make the right calls, do the right things. I can't stress enough it was not my intention, bro, I don't condone any of the things that went on Friday." Cenat told his followers on Twitch that for the time being, he is going to take a break from streaming to handle the upcoming court dates, adding his first one is August 16. He also urged the media to leave his family alone.[5]
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